Impulse is the product of force and time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of impulse in relation to momentum, exploring whether a moving object possesses impulse and the implications of force acting over time. Participants examine the definitions and relationships between impulse, momentum, and force, considering both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about whether a moving object has impulse, noting that impulse is defined as the product of force and time and is equal to the change in momentum.
  • One participant clarifies that a moving object has momentum and can receive or give impulse during interactions, which results in changes to momentum, but it may not be accurate to say an object inherently has impulse.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical argument linking force, impulse, and momentum, suggesting that an object with momentum must have received impulse at some point, but if the momentum is constant, there is no current force acting on it.
  • There is a viewpoint that the term 'impulse' should be reserved for situations involving force, implying that all moving objects should not be considered to have impulse unless a force is acting on them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a moving object can be said to have impulse. There are competing views regarding the definitions and implications of impulse and momentum, particularly in the context of force acting over time.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about initial conditions and the interpretation of impulse in relation to past forces, which may not be universally agreed upon.

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I am in great confusion in impulse term.
As Impulse is the product of force and time and it is equal to change in momentum.
Does a moving object have impulse? if not then why not?
 
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A moving object has momentum. If the object interacts with a second object, it may receive an impulse during the interaction and its momentum will change as a result. (An impulse is just a force acting for some time.)
 
Aladin said:
I am in great confusion in impulse term.
As Impulse is the product of force and time and it is equal to change in momentum.
Does a moving object have impulse? if not then why not?

Impulse.?

A moving object has momentum. It can give an impulse to another object and in the process receive an impulse. Both will have their momenta changed, but the law of conservation of momentum holds good.
It won’t be proper to say that an object has impulse. You can say that an object gives or receives an impulse which is the same as saying “ an object changes the momentum of another object and gets its own momentum changed”.
 
F = ma, right? Also, F = m(dv/dt), right? Therefore, F = d(mv)/dt = dp/dt, right?

Now, multiply by dt on both sides to get Fdt = dp. But Fdt is dI. So, dI = dp. A differential increase in impulse is equal to a differential increase in momentum.

Or, we can integrate both sides of the equation Fdt = dp. The integral of Fdt is the total Impulse, I , and the integral of dp is total momentum, p. Therefore I = p. So, if an object has momentum p then it has received a total impulse of I at some point.

Keep in mind that we are assuming zero initial conditions, so that the impulse at the time before the force F was applied is ZERO, and therefore the initial momentum is zero.

Simple as that.

A moving object with a certain amount of momentum received an impulse at one point in order to gain the momentum it has. But if its momentum is now constant then there is no force applied (dp/dt = F = 0) and therefore there is no increase in total impulse.

But I suppose you can say that an object moving at a constant velocity of 5 m/s has an impulse even if the force is zero at present, because at a certain time in the past the object's force curve was non-zero, and therefore it had an impulse. Again, impulse is the integral of the force-time curve for an object, and even if the force is currently zero doesn't mean it was zero at some time in the past. And a F vs. t graph that is zero at time t = 5 seconds doesn't mean it is zero at time t = 2 seconds. The object still has an impulse even at time t = 5 seconds because there was area underneath the curve in the past.
 
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I think the question of using the term ‘impulse’ comes into picture when a force comes into play. Otherwise you will have to say that all moving bodies have impulse and the terms ‘impulse’ and ‘momentum’ will have to be used without any distinction. [You never think of the term ‘impulse’ in the case of a body in uniform motion]. It is the ‘force’ which is to be given the importance when one uses the term ‘impulse’. This is only a question of proper usage of terms even when we agree that impulse is equal to the change in momentum.
 

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