The relation between impulse and momentum

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The discussion centers on the relationship between impulse and momentum in physics, exploring the definitions, mathematical representations, and underlying concepts. Participants engage with both theoretical and practical aspects of the topic.

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  • One participant questions why impulse, defined as I=FΔt, is equal to the change in momentum caused by the force.
  • Several participants provide mathematical derivations showing that impulse is equal to the change in momentum, using integrals and the definition of force as the rate of change of momentum.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about integrals, indicating a varying level of familiarity with the mathematical tools involved.
  • Another participant references external sources, such as Wikipedia, to support their understanding of the relationship between impulse and momentum.
  • There is an acknowledgment of the importance of basic concepts and units related to impulse and momentum.

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While participants present mathematical explanations that support the relationship between impulse and momentum, the initial question about the reasoning behind this equality indicates that some uncertainty remains. There is no consensus on the underlying conceptual understanding, as some participants seek clarification while others provide explanations.

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I get that the impulse is I=FΔt, but why is it even equal to change in momentum caused by the force under consideration?
 
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$$\vec{I} = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \vec{F} dt = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \frac{d\vec{P}}{dt} dt = \vec{P}(t_2) - \vec{P}(t_1) = \Delta \vec{P}$$##\vec{F}## is the net force on the particle or extended body.
 
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etotheipi said:
$$I = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \vec{F} \cdot dt = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \frac{d\vec{P}}{dt} dt = \vec{P}(t_2) - \vec{P}(t_1) = \Delta \vec{P}$$##\vec{F}## is the net force on the particle or extended body.
I still haven't studied integrals... 😅
 
For constant ##\vec{F}##,$$\vec{I} = \vec{F} \Delta t = \frac{d\vec{P}}{dt} \Delta t = \Delta \vec{P}$$
 
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etotheipi said:
For constant ##\vec{F}##,$$I = \vec{F} \Delta t = \frac{d\vec{P}}{dt} \Delta t = \Delta \vec{P}$$
Thank you so much, now it's clear!
 
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greg_rack said:
Summary:: I've studied momentum and impulse a long time ago, don't judge the silliness of this question

I get that the impulse is I=FΔt, but why is it even equal to change in momentum caused by the force under consideration?
Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_(physics)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum

"A resultant force causes acceleration and a change in the velocity of the body for as long as it acts. A resultant force applied over a longer time therefore produces a bigger change in linear momentum than the same force applied briefly: the change in momentum is equal to the product of the average force and duration. Conversely, a small force applied for a long time produces the same change in momentum—the same impulse—as a larger force applied briefly."
 
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Lnewqban said:
Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_(physics)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum

"A resultant force causes acceleration and a change in the velocity of the body for as long as it acts. A resultant force applied over a longer time therefore produces a bigger change in linear momentum than the same force applied briefly: the change in momentum is equal to the product of the average force and duration. Conversely, a small force applied for a long time produces the same change in momentum—the same impulse—as a larger force applied briefly."
Really exhaustive explanation, thank you!
 
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You are welcome. :smile:
These basic concepts are very important.
Note units related to impulse and momentum in each system.
 
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