In a linear space, 0 times an element of the space need not be 0?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of linear spaces, particularly in the context of Banach spaces and functional analysis. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the property that multiplying a vector by zero results in the zero vector, questioning whether this is an implicit assumption in the definition of linear spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between vector spaces and linear spaces, with some affirming that the property of zero multiplication is inherent to all vector spaces. Others discuss how this property can be derived from the distributive property of vector spaces.

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The conversation includes affirmations of the original poster's concerns, with some participants providing clarifications and derivations related to the property in question. Multiple interpretations of the definitions are being explored, and there is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the implications of these properties.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates a lack of experience with abstract linear spaces compared to Euclidean vectors, which may influence their understanding of scalar multiplication in this context.

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Hello, we are starting to get to Banach spaces and thus linear normed spaces in a functional analysis class and I am realizing that I don't have much experience or intuition with these spaces. So I was reading over the requirements for a linear space in my notes and was surprised that there was not a property that 0[itex]\cdot[/itex]x = 0. Is this just implicitly assumed to be true, or is this really not a property of a linear space?

To be more precise, I have an intuitive understanding of what a linear space means if we are considering Euclidean vectors, but if it is just some abstract space that follows the rules of a linear space, then I don't really know what it means to multiply by a scalar. For example, I know what the output of multiplying a vector by a scalar will be but in a more abstract setting it doesn't seem like such a rule needs to be given, only the property that the result will still be in the space. So I am trying to not make the mistake of applying what I know about normal Euclidean vectors to more general concepts.

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Yes, if x is any vector then 0x=0 (where the first 0 is the zero scalar and the second is the zero vector). That's a property of ALL vector spaces and a Banach space is a type of vector space. So they may not have felt a need to specifically mention it.
 
So vector space is interchangeable with linear space?
 
Fractal20 said:
So vector space is interchangeable with linear space?

I would think so.
 
The property ##0x = 0## does not need to be listed as part of the definition, as it can be derived from the distributivity property: a vector space must satisfy ##(a+b)x = ax + bx## for all scalars ##a## and ##b## and all vectors ##x##. Choosing ##a=b=0##, this implies that ##(0+0)x = 0x + 0x##. As ##0 + 0 = 0## is true in any field by definition of the additive identity ##0##, the left hand side simplifies to ##0x##, and we have ##0x = 0x + 0x##. Subtracting ##0x## from both sides, we get ##0 = 0x##.
 

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