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The discussion revolves around set theory, specifically focusing on defining sets by listing their elements, understanding set equality, and using Venn diagrams to illustrate set operations. Participants are exploring the implications of definitions and notation in set theory.

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  • Participants are attempting to identify the correct elements of sets based on given conditions and questioning the definitions of natural numbers. There is also discussion about the interpretation of set operations and notation in Venn diagrams.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the questions, particularly regarding the first question about listing elements of a set. There is ongoing exploration of the definitions of natural numbers and the meanings of set operations, with various interpretations being considered.

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Participants note discrepancies in definitions of natural numbers and express uncertainty about the notation used in set operations, particularly regarding the use of '+' and '-'.

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Can anyone offer any help with these questions?

Question 1:

In each part specify the set by listing its elements:

{ x | x Є Z and (x+1)² < 10 }

Answer:

am i supposed to write out all the possible x's, so that my answer would be:

{0,1,2,-1,-2,-3,-4}

or do i write out the over all set which is:

{0,1,4,9}

Question 2:

If A={1,2,3,4,5}, which of the following sets equal A?

f) { x | x Є N and x < 6}

Answer:

i put that f) doesn't equal A because 0 belongs to N but doesn't belong to A...is that right?

Question 3:

Use Venn diagrams to show that for sets X, Y:

a) X(X+Y) = X
b) X + XY = X
c) X – Y = XY’

Answer:

i don't know what to do
 
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sara_87 said:
Can anyone offer any help with these questions?

Question 1:

In each part specify the set by listing its elements:

{ x | x Є Z and (x+1)² < 10 }

Answer:

am i supposed to write out all the possible x's, so that my answer would be:

{0,1,2,-1,-2,-3,-4}

You did it right. You wrote down the set of all 'x-es' which satisfy the given conditions.

sara_87 said:
Question 2:

If A={1,2,3,4,5}, which of the following sets equal A?

f) { x | x Є N and x < 6}

Answer:

i put that f) doesn't equal A because 0 belongs to N but doesn't belong to A...is that right?

You have to consult your textbook for that one. Suprisingly enough, some authors consider 0 to be a natural number, and some don't. Although the most I've read say that 0 is not in N.

sara_87 said:
Question 3:

Use Venn diagrams to show that for sets X, Y:

a) X(X+Y) = X
b) X + XY = X
c) X – Y = XY’

Answer:

i don't know what to do

'+' is an operation which doesn't apply for sets. Perhaps you ment the union? Or is it just notation?
 
Thanx for the help with question 1

For Question 2, that's why I'm confused because i thought that 0 belonged to N...but in our notes my teacher didn't say it did; i think i'll leave it like that!

For Question 3, i copied and pasted the question there are about 4 questions like that, and i just don't understand what to do...maybe the + does mean union... but do you think that - means intersecton?
 
sara_87 said:
For Question 2, that's why I'm confused because i thought that 0 belonged to N...but in our notes my teacher didn't say it did; i think i'll leave it like that!

Yes, follow your teacher's notes.

sara_87 said:
For Question 3, i copied and pasted the question there are about 4 questions like that, and i just don't understand what to do...maybe the + does mean union... but do you think that - means intersecton?

'-' means the set difference, I saw this notation in a book once. If you know what Venn diagrams are (google it up if you don't), you shouldn't have any problems.

But, I don't understand what, for example, XY represents?
 
i know what venn diagrams are, maybe XY means X intersection Y...no?
 
sara_87 said:
i know what venn diagrams are, maybe XY means X intersection Y...no?

Could be. If so, you'll answer your question easily.
 
The statement X(X+Y) = X is true if '+' denotes intersection, and that invisible operation, that could possibly confuse someone to believe that the sets are being "multiplied," denotes union.
 
neutrino said:
The statement X(X+Y) = X is true if '+' denotes intersection, and that invisible operation, that could possibly confuse someone to believe that the sets are being "multiplied," denotes union.

It is true if '+' denotes union and ' ' denotes intersection, too. :smile:
 
Thank you radou and neutrino!
 

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