In Fluid Mechanics what is the difference between yc and hc?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between the height to the centroid (hc) and the y-coordinate of the centroid (yc) in the context of calculating hydrostatic forces on submerged surfaces. Participants explore the implications of axis orientation and assumptions related to surface shape and orientation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that hc and yc can be the same if the y-axis is defined as downward normal to the liquid surface.
  • Others argue that if the y-axis is angled for convenience, hc and yc will differ but are related through the angle.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of clearly describing the problem, mentioning factors like axis orientation and surface shape.
  • There is a suggestion that a misunderstanding may stem from learning equations without grasping their underlying concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between hc and yc based on axis definitions and assumptions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the surface being planar and the orientation of the axes, which may affect the interpretation of hc and yc.

Beembo
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When solving for the hydrostatic force on a surface we use the height to the centroid(hc), then when using the point of application we use the y coordinate of the centroid(yc), however shouldn't they be the same since they both start from the top surface and reach down to the object surface on the same axis?
 
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It depends on how you've defined your axes. If your y-axis is taken to be downward normal to the liquid surface, then they are the same. If your y-axis is angled to make the math more convenient then ##y## and ##h## will be different (but related through ##\theta##).
 
Beembo said:
When solving for the hydrostatic force on a surface we use the height to the centroid(hc), then when using the point of application we use the y coordinate of the centroid(yc), however shouldn't they be the same since they both start from the top surface and reach down to the object surface on the same axis?
Hi Beembo,
A problem well described is half the battle.

While I would tend to think that you are asking about the location of the resultant force on a submerged surface, that does not come quite clear in your post.
Some questions come to mind about the axis orientation, surface shape, surface orientation for example.
 
256bits said:
Hi Beembo,
A problem well described is half the battle.

While I would tend to think that you are asking about the location of the resultant force on a submerged surface, that does not come quite clear in your post.
Some questions come to mind about the axis orientation, surface shape, surface orientation for example.

That was reasonably clear to me, though it involved a few assumptions, such as that the surface is planar.
 
boneh3ad said:
That was reasonably clear to me, though it involved a few assumptions, such as that the surface is planar.
Right. The basic submerged plate problem.
Two different centroids are involved to find the location and magnitude of the resultant.
He, himself, thinking about how to describe a problem clearly could give the OP a better insight as to why that is so.
 
256bits said:
Right. The basic submerged plate problem.
Two different centroids are involved to find the location and magnitude of the resultant.
He, himself, thinking about how to describe a problem clearly could give the OP a better insight as to why that is so.

It sounds like this is just a classic case of someone who learned a regurgitated equation without learning what it actually means or where it comes from, so you may be onto something.
 

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