In order to generate electricity is copper required?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity of copper in generating electricity, exploring alternatives such as silver and graphene. Participants examine the properties of different conductive materials and their implications for generator design and efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that any conductor can be used in a generator, not just copper, citing its cost-effectiveness and conductivity.
  • Others argue that while silver is more conductive than copper, its high cost and weight may limit its practicality for certain applications.
  • A participant raises concerns about the brittleness of materials like silver in the context of generator reliability due to vibration.
  • One contributor notes that high purity copper is not always used for all cables due to strength limitations, particularly in overhead high voltage applications.
  • Graphene is mentioned as a potential future alternative, though its current convenience and applicability are questioned.
  • It is noted that aluminum is used in high voltage power transmission lines due to its lighter weight and lower cost compared to copper.
  • A historical reference is made regarding the use of silver during WWII for electromagnets when copper was in short supply, highlighting the flexibility in material choice under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that copper is not strictly necessary for generating electricity, but there is no consensus on the best alternative material, with multiple competing views on the suitability of silver, aluminum, and graphene.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the properties and practicalities of different conductive materials, including cost, strength, and reliability, without resolving the complexities involved in material selection for generators.

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Copper conducts electricity and so does other metals like silver. Now a new material is coming to play which is graphene, But I was wondering in order to generate electricity must it be in copper coils? Can it be in silver coils, graphene coils?

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There's no need for copper to be involved. Any conductor will do in a generator. The reason copper is used is that it's cheap and quite conductive. Silver is a little bit more conductive, but it's much more expensive as well as heavier.
 
Matterwave said:
There's no need for copper to be involved. Any conductor will do in a generator. The reason copper is used is that it's cheap and quite conductive. Silver is a little bit more conductive, but it's much more expensive as well as heavier.


So a silver coils can generate electricity better then copper. What would be the best metal?
 
There is a lot of vibration in a generator. You don't want to use a material for the coils that is any more brittle, or that could compromise the generator's reliability.

I don't know how silver compares.
 
dan020350 said:
Copper conducts electricity and so does other metals like silver. Now a new material is coming to play which is graphene, But I was wondering in order to generate electricity must it be in copper coils? Can it be in silver coils, graphene coils?

^.^
This is an engineering matter and it's all based on compromise. The almost universal choice of a material indicates that it is suitable in more than just one respect - not too expensive, almost strong enough, low enough resistance, fairly corrosion free etc. etc. In fact, high purity copper is not used for all cables. It is just not strong enough to support its own weight for overhead HV cables, for instance. For a while, when copper prices were exceptionally high, aluminium was used for domestic wiring (and stainless steel for plumbing).

Copper does corrode a bit on its surface, which is why PC board and other connectors are plated with more expensive metals (gold, rhodium etc.).

Graphene may well be used for many applications in the future. T present, it is a lot less convenient at the moment, for everyday use, I think. Copper may increase in price and things may change sooner than you think.
 
Any conductor will do. As a matter of fact, the high voltage power transmission lines that one sees hanging from the tall towers are made of aluminum, not copper--aluminum being lighter and cheaper than copper.
 
The conductivity and resistivity of silver and copper are almost identical, but the price of silver is currently more than 100 times that of copper.

During WWII, copper was in extremely short supply in the US in 1942. The Manhattan Project, which was charged with building the first atomic bomb, desperately needed a large amount of copper to fabricate electromagnets which were used to separate uranium isotopes. When no source of copper could be readily found, the US Army approached the Treasury about borrowing some of its silver stockpile, to be used instead of copper. The Treasury secretary reluctantly agreed, and eventually more than 14,000 tons of silver were put to work in electromagnets for the duration. The last of the silver was returned to the Treasury eventually in 1970, after the equipment which used it was dismantled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
 

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