In what direction does a light wave vibrate?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light as a transverse wave, exploring what it means for light to vibrate transversely in three-dimensional space. Participants delve into the complexities of visualizing light waves, their propagation, and the implications of polarization, particularly in relation to electromagnetic radiation and quantum theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what light is transverse to, given its three-dimensional propagation and draw analogies to sound waves.
  • There is a discussion about the visualization of light waves, with some suggesting that the electric and magnetic fields oscillate perpendicular to the direction of travel, while others emphasize the difficulty of visualizing this in three dimensions.
  • One participant proposes that light can be imagined as particles radiating from a source with an oscillation transverse to their direction of motion, raising questions about the nature of wave-functions and their superposition.
  • Another participant clarifies that electromagnetic waves do not involve the movement of matter, contrasting them with water waves and emphasizing the changing field vectors instead.
  • Polarization is discussed, with some noting that for polarized monochromatic light, the electric and magnetic field vectors are constrained to a plane perpendicular to propagation, while others highlight the complexity of visualizing non-polarized light.
  • One participant reflects on the relationship between accelerating charged particles and electromagnetic radiation, indicating that this implies a defined polarity in the emitted light.
  • A later reply addresses the generation of light during particle decay, questioning how polarity is determined in such processes and referencing quantum theory to suggest randomness in polarization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the visualization and implications of light as a transverse wave. There is no consensus on the best way to conceptualize these ideas, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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The discussion includes limitations in visualization and understanding of electromagnetic waves, particularly regarding the assumptions made about wave-functions and the nature of light in three-dimensional space.

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I've wondered this for a while but not known how to ask the question,

If light is a transverse wave, then what is it transverse to?

To elaborate, light travels in three-dimensions, radially. To me, this seems analogous to the sound wave, with pulses of pressure moving longitudinally to the direction of travel. The only problem is that I've had it drilled into me that light is a 'transverse' wave, and imagining this in three dimensions seems nigh-on impossible.

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the complex plane, the magnetic coupling that comes with the wave and even probably on a very deep level, a multi-dimensional understanding of space.

Thanks
 
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A.T. said:

Thanks for helping me to find the Wikipedia page for a transverse wave - I can now comfortably say that according to one un-cited sentence (the very first sentence), my definition of 'transverse' has been confirmed.Anyway, to clarify (as my query remains to be concluded), I can imagine particles radiating from a source with some electromagnetic wave-function attached to them that has an oscillation transverse to the direction of motion. This bit is simple to understand, provided light can be quantized.

The problem comes when I try to understand the actual act of a wave propagating in three dimensions: I know that a light source will transmit information in all directions in 3-D space, and that through the famous diffraction experiments, wave-functions in the electromagnetic field are imposed together.

Imagining an array of photons, sharing one superimposed wave-function, what would the wave look like in terms of its transverse nature?
Would the waves superimpose to form an overall longitudinal wave, for example?

This is complicated when considering polarity, I know, but now you should hopefully be able to see where the holes in my knowledge and understanding are.

Again, thank you
 
Light waves don't really look like anything. As a light wave passes through a point, the electric and magnetic fields at that point gain and lose strength, and the directions associated with them are always perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wave (hence its transverse nature).

It's important to realize that nothing actually moves in an electromagnetic wave, unlike in a water wave. They're often depicted as a series of rising and falling arrows perpendicular to a light ray, but this is slightly misleading. It's an attempt to visualise the changing field at a point as a series of arrows of different lengths, but in reality there aren't any arrows. There's just changing field vectors.
 
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Jordan Regan said:
This is complicated when considering polarity,
It's actually much simpler to visualize for polarized monochromatic light.



For non-polarized polychromatic light the E/H field vectors are still constrained to a plane, perpendicular to propagation. But their direction and amplitude within that plane don't change in that regular fashion.
 
Jordan Regan said:
t I've had it drilled into me that light is a 'transverse' wave, and imagining this in three dimensions seems nigh-on impossible.
As with many conceptual ideas in optics, I prefer to look at a low frequency version, so look at the radiation of radio waves from a dipole. If the conductor is vertical, the radiating electrons are accelerating up and down the wire and this defines the direction of the radiated electric field and the polarisation. If you are not on the equatorial plane, the geometrical situation can be visualised. There is no radiation off the end of the dipole.
 
This discussion is clearing things up for me, mainly,

- I forgot that accelerating particles cause electromagnetic radiation, this both implies that there's always a defined polarity, and that wave-functions strictly accompany particles.
- The field vectors are representative of changes to the field strength, and in reality, a transverse wave doesn't have to be easy to visualize (really the arrows can be as large or small as we want, and are defined by the units of potential).

I think I can comfortably move on with my work now; as it happens, I'm studying Planck's constant for my lab report on the photoelectric effect, and want to relate the wave-function to the particle nature of photons with a deeper understanding.

The comments have been largely helpful, thank you all!

J.R.
 
Jordan Regan said:
- I forgot that accelerating particles cause electromagnetic radiation,

and you forgot ...

accelerating charged particles cause electromagnetic radiation :smile:
 
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So what happens in a decay then? When light is generated either by an annihilation of opposing particles or otherwise through a radioactive decay, what determines the polarity of light in this case?
 
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Then the polarization is random, according to the rules of quantum theory. Search the forum for pion decay to two photons, ##\pi^0 \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma##. We've recently discussed the issue at length for this example.
 

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