In which direction is the spin of longitudinally polarized W?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of longitudinal polarization of W bosons, specifically addressing the orientation of their spin in relation to their direction of motion. Participants explore the definitions and implications of polarization in different contexts, including comparisons with electron polarization.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "longitudinal polarization" for a W boson means the spin axis is aligned with the direction of motion, referencing the helicity basis.
  • Others argue that the spin of a longitudinal W is actually transverse to its direction of motion, which they find counter-intuitive.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the terminology used for polarized electrons, noting that they are described as having spin in the direction of motion, which seems contradictory to the W boson case.
  • There is mention of the HERA collider's use of polarized electrons and how their polarization is defined differently from that of W bosons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of longitudinal polarization for W bosons, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the orientation of spin and its implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential confusion arising from different conventions used for defining polarization in various contexts, particularly between W bosons and electrons.

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I am simply curious: does "longitudinal polarization" for a W mean that the spin axis of the W is along the direction of motion? Or does it mean something else?

Thank you for any help!

FB
 
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It could mean many things in principle. The standard basis (known as the "helicity" basis) is exactly what you said. Sometimes it is useful to define other definitions of polarization depending on what you're doing. But in typical papers, yes, this is what they mean.
 
Thank you! Now it is clearer where the unitarity problem that is cured by
the Higgs is supposed to appear.

François
 
I'm afraid this isn't quite right. The spin of a longitudinal W is transverse to its direction of motion (as counter-intuitive as this sounds).
 
blechman said:
It could mean many things in principle. The standard basis (known as the "helicity" basis) is exactly what you said. Sometimes it is useful to define other definitions of polarization depending on what you're doing. But in typical papers, yes, this is what they mean.

Vanadium 50 said:
I'm afraid this isn't quite right. The spin of a longitudinal W is transverse to its direction of motion (as counter-intuitive as this sounds).

Oh! That would probably mean the spin precesses, always at an angle of 90 degrees, around the axis of motion. And that the spin axis in and against the direction of motion are the transversal polarisations.

Is that correct now?

François
 
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Now I am completely confused. The HERA collider had polarized electrons, and they call
longitudinally polirezed electrons those with "spin" (?) in the direction of motion, as can be seen on many Powerpoint presentations online.

On the other hand, it makes sense to say that spin in direction of motion is similar to helicity, thus similar to transversal polarization.

Who can help clearing up my confusion? Thank you in advance!

François
 
The convention for electrons is different for W's. It is confusing.
 

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