In your education system, is physics closer to maths or to chemistry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores how physics, chemistry, and mathematics are organized and taught within various education systems across different countries. Participants share their experiences and observations regarding the grouping or separation of these subjects in high school and university settings.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in Spain, physics and chemistry are combined in early high school, while mathematics is taught as a separate subject.
  • In the USA, participants indicate that physics, chemistry, and mathematics are all separate courses.
  • Participants from England mention that subjects are typically taught separately, although there is some overlap that can enhance understanding across disciplines.
  • A participant from New Zealand states that science is divided into distinct subjects for the final two years of high school, with no mention of geology.
  • One participant describes a grouping of subjects in lycees, where classes are organized into math-physics and bio-chemistry tracks.
  • There is a question raised about the classification of learning related to the human heart, with one participant claiming it is more related to mathematics.
  • Another participant elaborates that grouping occurs mainly at basic educational levels, with subjects like "natural sciences" combining elements of biology and geology, and "physics and chemistry" covering introductory content.
  • In the UK, some universities offer Natural Sciences degrees, but secondary education typically teaches subjects separately, with a perception that physics is closer to mathematics than to chemistry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether physics is closer to mathematics or chemistry, as views vary based on educational systems and personal perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects diverse educational structures and philosophies, with some participants noting that the grouping of subjects may depend on the level of education and specific curricular designs.

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Here in Spain all of them are independent subjects at university and last year of high school, but in the first years of high school the contents related with physics and chemistry are joined in the same subject. The same happens with biology and geology. Therefore, high school physics teachers are usually chemists, and people teaching geology are often biologists. Maths are taught always as an independent subject.

I have been told that in Russia they are grouped in a different way: physics with maths, chemistry with geology. How is the situation in USA and other countries?
 
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In the USA, they are all separate courses
 
In England they are all taught as separate subjects.

Naturally there is some overlap, and learning one can compliment the others.
 
In New Zealand science is divided into physics, chemistry, and biology for the final two years (years 12 and 13).
I don't recall ever doing geology but may have.
 
Separate subjects, but in a way grouped - in lycees there are math-phys and bio-chemistry classes.
 
It's strange to hear about grouping distinct subjects. Is learning about how a human heart works physics, chemistry or biology related then ?
I claim it's maths.
 
Medicol said:
It's strange to hear about grouping distinct subjects. Is learning about how a human heart works physics, chemistry or biology related then ?
I claim it's maths.

High schools (maybe depending on country) will have or did have in the past, courses simply named or identified as Earth Science, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. The Chemistry and the Physics were for the "college preparation" students and as you would expect, they cannot be more than introductory or "elementary" in level. The biology course would/was much like an introductory Biology course from college and would actually very likely address some human anatomy, including the mentioned 'how the human heart works'.
 
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Yes, the "grouping" is only in the most basic or elementary levels. For example there may be a subject called "natural sciences" or something like that with contents about basic biology and geology, and another subject called "physics and chemistry" in which they teach the basics of both. I suppose that's because of the way high-schools are organised here: a few subjects lasting the full academic year instead of a lot of smaller subjects.

Only in the last year before university they are separated courses (and not compulsory to everyone, only to those who choose the "science" or "technical" branches).
 
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Mhh, in the UK some universities still offer Natural Sciences as an undergraduate degree. At secondary school they're usually taught as separate subjects though.

Over here physics seems to be viewed as closer to maths than to chemistry, I think.
 

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