Increase in weight if an object is illuminated

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether illuminating an object can lead to an increase in its weight, particularly focusing on experiments that might demonstrate this effect. The scope includes theoretical considerations of mass-energy equivalence, experimental measurement challenges, and the implications of heating an object.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there are experiments showing that the weight of a body increases when illuminated, suggesting that this would imply energy converts to mass.
  • Another participant argues that heating the body would have a more significant effect on weight than mere illumination, expressing doubt about the measurability of any weight gain.
  • A later reply humorously comments on the previous participant's wording, indicating a light-hearted tone in the discussion.
  • One participant references the sensitivity of Cavendish's equipment and discusses the relationship between temperature increase and mass change, citing specific measurements related to the mass of a kilogram standard.
  • The same participant speculates that if Cavendish could detect very small forces, perhaps modern techniques could measure the mass increase from heating an object with laser light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of illumination versus heating on weight, with no consensus reached on whether the weight increase from illumination can be measured or if it is significant.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which weight changes might be measured, as well as the dependence on definitions of mass and energy in the context of illumination and heating.

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Increase in weight if an object is illuminated

Are there experiments which show that the weight of a body, with initial mass between 1 g and 1 kg, really increases if illuminated for a certain time?

Photons have energy E = hf but no mass. If the weight of a body gets bigger after being radiated with light it means that energy indeed converts to mass.
 
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Heating the body up would have more effect than simply illuminating. However I doubt if the weight gain cold be measured.
 
mathman said:
Heating the body up...I doubt if the weight gain cold be measured.

I saw what you did there!

Are you wearing a Freudian slip? :approve:
 
Cavendish's equipment was remarkably sensitive for its time. The force involved in twisting the torsion balance was very small, 1.74 x 10^–7 N, about 1/50,000,000 of the weight of the small balls or roughly the weight of a large grain of sand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

Raising the temperature of an object (increasing its heat energy) increases its mass. For example, consider the world's primary mass standard for the kilogram, made of platinum/iridium. If its temperature is allowed to change by 1°C, its mass will change by 1.5 picograms (1 pg = 1 × 10^−12 g).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass–energy_equivalence

F = 1.74 * 10^–7 N is the weight of a mass m = 1.77 * 10^–8 g = 17.7 ng (measured by Cavendish in 1797).

1 kg heated to 1000 degree, using laser light, will increase its mass by 1.5 ng (I guess).

If Cavendish was able to detect forces as small as 17.7 ngf, more than 200 years ago, maybe an increase in mass of 1.5 ng can be measured today with enough precision. I do not know, this is just a question.
 

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