Increment of capacitance of conductor

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The discussion revolves around the effect of inserting a sheet of conductor between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor on its capacitance. The original poster presents a mathematical approach to derive the change in capacitance, ΔC, and notes discrepancies between their result and a textbook answer.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the change in capacitance using equations related to charge and electric field. They express concern over a negative sign in their final result compared to the textbook solution. They also seek a physical explanation for how inserting a conductor can increase capacitance.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in exploring the mathematical derivation and identifying potential errors in reasoning. The original poster has reiterated their approach multiple times, indicating a lack of clarity on where the mistake may lie. There is an ongoing inquiry into the physical implications of the conductor's presence in the capacitor.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions that the capacitance is expected to be a positive quantity, which raises questions about the sign of the derived result. They also reference the behavior of electric field lines in relation to the problem.

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Homework Statement


A Sheet of conductor of thickness t and parallel faces of cross-sectional area >=A is inserted between the plates of the capacitor of a parallel plate conductor. Show that the capacitance increased by ΔC= ε0tA/d(d-t)

Homework Equations


σ,ε0,Δ

The Attempt at a Solution


Denote Co be the initial capacitance, C' be the final capacitance.
Formula used: C=Q/V E=σ/ε0
First,Co Q/Vo, Vo=- ∫E.ds (range from 0->d) , thus the result is -σd/ε0 , Co=-Qε0/σd
Similarly, Q/V' V= - ∫E.ds (range from 0->d-t) , thus the result is -σ(d-t)/ε0 , C'=-Qε0/σ(d-t)
By answer of the two equation ΔC= C'-Co=-Qε0/σ[1/(d-t)-1/d]=-Qε0t/σd(d-t)

after substituting Q=σA then ΔC=-Aε0t/σd(d-t)
As seen, my answer is differing from the books answer by a negative sign, can anyone tell me from which step(s) i proceed wrong, there for arrive to a wrong answer.
Secondly, would anyone offer mea physical explanation of inscribing a conductor which can increase the capacitance? ?
 
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I notice there something wrong when i post this thread, therefore i shall rewrite it starting from The attempt at a solution
Denote Co be the initial capacitance, C' be the final capacitance.
Formula used: C=Q/V E=σ/ε0
First,Co Q/Vo, Vo=- ∫E.ds (range from 0->d) , thus the result is -σd/ε0 , Co=-Qε0/σd
Similarly, Q/V' V= - ∫E.ds (range from 0->d-t) , thus the result is -σ(d-t)/ε0 , C'=-Qε0/σ(d-t)

By subtraction and substituting Q=σA , the answer a get has a negative sign differ from solution.
 
I notice there something wrong when i post this thread, therefore i shall rewrite it starting from The attempt at a solution
Denote Co be the initial capacitance, C' be the final capacitance.
Formula used: C=Q/V E=σ/ε0
First,Co Q/Vo, Vo=- ∫E.ds (range from 0->d) , thus the result is -σd/ε0 , Co=-Qε0/σd
Similarly, Q/V' V= - ∫E.ds (range from 0->d-t) , thus the result is -σ(d-t)/ε0 , C'=-Qε0/σ(d-t)

Thus, substitute Q=σA and subtract the two answer I got, the solution I obtained is - ε0ta/d(d-t)

Which differ from the textbook by a negative sign.
 
Richardbryant said:
I notice there something wrong when i post this thread, therefore i shall rewrite it starting from The attempt at a solution
Denote Co be the initial capacitance, C' be the final capacitance.
Formula used: C=Q/V E=σ/ε0
First,Co Q/Vo, Vo=- ∫E.ds (range from 0->d) , thus the result is -σd/ε0 , Co=-Qε0/σd
Similarly, Q/V' V= - ∫E.ds (range from 0->d-t) , thus the result is -σ(d-t)/ε0 , C'=-Qε0/σ(d-t)

Thus, substitute Q=σA and subtract the two answer I got, the solution I obtained is - ε0ta/d(d-t)

Which differ from the textbook by a negative sign.
The capacitance is supposed to be a positive quantity.
The electric field lines start from positive charges and end in negative ones. Assuming the upper plate is positive, and you integrate the electric field from from 0 to t, what is the sign of E?
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