Independent Components in Riemann-Christoffel Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the independent components of the Riemann-Christoffel tensor, specifically focusing on the reduction of components from 256 to 36, then to 21, and finally to 20. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and symmetries involved in this tensor, seeking clarification and understanding of the underlying principles.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how to reduce the number of independent components of the Riemann-Christoffel tensor, referencing a formula from Mathworld.
  • Another participant provides a link to external resources that may contain relevant information.
  • A different participant discusses the symmetries of the Riemann-Christoffel tensor, noting the relationships such as R_{abcd} = -R_{bacd} and R_{abdc} = R_{cdab}, and suggests viewing the tensor as a symmetric matrix.
  • This participant explains how antisymmetric and symmetric matrices contribute to the count of independent components, providing a detailed breakdown of the calculations involved.
  • Finally, one participant expresses gratitude for the responses, indicating that they have gained a better understanding of the problem through the discussion.

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There is no explicit consensus reached among participants regarding the steps to derive the number of independent components, as the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and different approaches to the problem.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical reasoning that may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about tensor symmetries and properties. Some steps in the calculations remain unresolved or unclear.

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Help!

I am losing my mind over this problem (which is basically problem 2.6.5 in Arfken and Weber Mathematical Methods for Physicists, sixth edition). I am having difficulty using the tensor symmetric and antisymmetric relationships of the Riemann-Christoffel tensor to show that it reduces from 256 to 36 to 21 and then 20 independent components. My prof just acted like I should be able to do this in my sleep, but I am struggling. The only confirmation I can find was on Mathworld, where they offered that the number of independent components in n dimensions is given by C = (1/12)(n^2)(n^2 - 1), which is great but doesn't help me understand the steps involved.

Does anyone know of a site where this is worked out for dummies?! Or could someone perhaps help shed some light on this for me?

Thanks in advance for your help!

(I'm sorry if I put this thread under the wrong section. It was the one that made the most sense to me.)
 
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I'm also not very strong in this kind of things, but maybe the following helps.

So we have [itex]R_{abcd}=-R_{bacd}=-R_{abdc}=R_{cdab}[/itex] in n dimensions. So you can think of R as a symmetric matrix [itex]R_{\{ab\}\{cd\}}=R_{xy}[/itex], with each "index" compromising an antisymmetric matrix:

[tex] R_{xy}=+R_{yx}, \ \ x=\{ab\}, \ \ y=\{cd\}[/tex]

Well, you know probably that an antisymmetric nxn matrix has n(n-1)/2 independent components. If not, try to fill up for example a 3x3 antisymmetric matrix A: the diagonal elements are zero because [itex]A_{ij}=-A_{ji}\rightarrow A_{ii}=-A_{ii}[/itex] (no sum). So in the 3x3 case you get 1+2+3 independent components, in the 4x4 case 1+2+3+4 independent components etc.

The same reasoning goes for a symmetric matrix, and there you'll find n(n+1)/2 independent components.

Our [itex]R_{xy}[/itex] has, viewed as a symmetrix matrx, m(m+1)/2 independent components. But a single n represents an antisymmetric matrix with m=n(n-1)/2 components. So in total we get

[tex] \frac{1}{2}m(m+1) = \frac{1}{2}[\frac{1}{2}n(n-1)]\frac{1}{2}[n(n-1) + 1][/tex]

components. However, there are still some symmetries left, namely [itex]R_{[abcd]}=0[/itex]. These symmetries are independent of the former mentioned symmetries! A totally antisymmetrized k-tensor in dimensions has

[tex] n(n-1)(n-2)\ldots(n-k+1)/k![/tex]

independent terms, so in the very end we are left with

[tex] \frac{1}{2}[\frac{1}{2}n(n-1)]\frac{1}{2}[n(n-1) + 1] - \frac{1}{24}n(n-1)(n-2)(n-3)[/tex]

components.

Hope this helps :)
 
Thank you both for taking the time to answer. It was really helpful. I'm sure you appreciate the difference between getting the answer and understandiing how you got the answer. It took a lot of plowing through it (and some hair-pulling!), but I think I figured it out.

Thanks again!
 

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