Riemann Tensor Equation: Simplifying the Riemann-Christoffel Tensor

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The discussion centers on the simplification of the Riemann-Christoffel Tensor equation, specifically exploring the validity of a proposed simplification and the implications of notation used in the context of tensor analysis.

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  • One participant presents a proposed simplification of the Riemann curvature tensor, suggesting that certain terms cancel out to yield a simpler expression.
  • Another participant questions the notation used, indicating that it may not align with standard practices and that this could affect the interpretation of the equations.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of the steps taken in the simplification, emphasizing that the switching of terms in the equations may not be valid.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the interchangeability of terms in the context of derivatives, with examples provided to illustrate the confusion.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake after receiving feedback, indicating a potential resolution to their initial confusion.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed simplification and the notation used. There is no consensus reached regarding the correctness of the simplification or the interchangeability of terms.

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The discussion highlights the potential limitations of the notation used and its impact on understanding the relationships between the terms in the equations. The validity of the simplification remains unresolved.

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The Riemann-Christoffel Tensor (##R^{k}_{\cdot n i j}##) is defined as:

$$
R^{k}_{\cdot n i j}= \frac{\delta \Gamma^{k}_{j n}}{\delta Z^{i}} - \frac{\delta \Gamma^{k}_{i n}}{\delta Z^{j}}+ \Gamma^{k}_{i l} \Gamma^{l}_{j n}- \Gamma^{k}_{j l} \Gamma^{l}_{i n}
$$

My question is that it seems that the equation can be simplified as follows, and I'm wondering if my understanding is correct or not.

Given following equation for the Christoffel symbol (##\Gamma^{k}_{i j}##):

$$
\Gamma^{k}_{i j} = \textbf{Z}^{k} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_{i}}{\delta Z^{j}}
$$Based on this equation, we consider the following term in the Riemann curvature tensor equation

$$

\begin{align}

\Gamma^{k}_{il}\Gamma^{l}_{jn} &= \textbf{Z}^{k} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_i}{\delta Z^{l}} \textbf{Z}^{l} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_j}{\delta Z^{n}}

\\

&=\textbf{Z}^{k l} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_i}{\delta Z^{l}} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_j}{\delta Z^{n}}

\end{align}

$$Similarly:

$$

\begin{align}

\Gamma^{k}_{j l}\Gamma^{l}_{i n} &= \textbf{Z}^{k} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_j}{\delta Z^{l}} \textbf{Z}^{l} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_i}{\delta Z^{n}}

\\

&=\textbf{Z}^{k l} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_j}{\delta Z^{l}} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_i}{\delta Z^{n}}

\\

&=\textbf{Z}^{k l} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_i}{\delta Z^{l}} \frac{\delta \textbf{Z}_j}{\delta Z^{n}}

\end{align}

$$Thus:

$$
\Gamma^{k}_{i l} \Gamma^{l}_{j n}- \Gamma^{k}_{j l} \Gamma^{l}_{i n}=0
$$If this is true, the Riemann curvature tensor can be simply written as follows:

$$
R^{k}_{\cdot n i j}= \frac{\delta \Gamma^{k}_{j n}}{\delta Z^{i}} - \frac{\delta \Gamma^{k}_{i n}}{\delta Z^{j}}
$$

Where is my mistake? I'm not sure.
 
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I'm not familiar with your notation, but it seems you use a basis in which the connection vanishes while its derivative does not. This is always possible, but it does not result into a tensor equation since the connections are not tensors.
 
What you are doing from (4) to (5) does not seem correct. It is difficult to tell since, as pointed out in #2, you are not following the typical notation.
 
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Notation is from Pavel Grinfeld: Introduction to Tensor Analysis and the Calculus of Moving Surfaces
I'm happy to put in different notation; if you could refer a page to me in the notation you prefer, I'm happy to change.
Steps (4) & (5) are really the key point. Why can't the terms be switched?

##\frac{\delta x}{\delta y} \frac{\delta z}{\delta t} = \frac{\delta z}{\delta y} \frac{\delta x}{\delta t}##?

Or similarly:

## \frac{\delta x}{\delta z} \frac{\delta z}{\delta y} = \frac{\delta x}{\delta y} \frac{\delta z}{\delta z} ##?
 
redtree said:
Why can't the terms be switched?
Why would they be interchangable? They represent different things.
 
I see the mistake; thanks!
 

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