Independent Study: What is next?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the next steps for an independent study in physics after completing introductory courses in calculus-based physics. Participants explore potential topics and courses to pursue, considering the individual's background in mathematics and the availability of resources at their institution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests considering Electromagnetism, Solid-state physics, Classical Mechanics, or Intro to relativity as potential next topics for independent study.
  • Another participant shares their experience of pursuing independent studies in E&M and plasma physics, emphasizing the importance of consulting professors for guidance and potential credit.
  • A participant notes the necessity of taking Differential Equations and vector calculus before advancing to more complex physics topics.
  • Several participants mention that "Introduction to Modern Physics" is often the next course in the sequence, covering relativity and quantum mechanics, along with other application areas.
  • Textbook recommendations for "Introduction to Modern Physics" are provided, including titles by Krane, Beiser, and Ohanian.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the lack of clear course descriptions from universities, highlighting the challenges of researching course offerings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the potential next steps in the physics sequence, particularly the suggestion of "Introduction to Modern Physics." However, there is no consensus on the specific order or necessity of prerequisite courses, such as Differential Equations, as opinions vary on their importance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their current course offerings and the timeline for taking Differential Equations, indicating that their independent study plans may be influenced by these factors.

Adsit_Deus
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Hello everyone, I am new to these forums, so if this question is in the wrong place, I will relocate it. Long story short, my school has no real physics department anymore, but I have an insatiable appetite for it. I was wondering what the next course in a physics sequence would be after University (Calc-Based, Engineering, etc) Physics I and II. I'm a Biochemistry major, so I have at least some math background (I did just fine in Calculus and am teaching myself extra concepts with relative success). It certainly isn't Diff Eq level, but I can hold my own most of the time.

I would be doing an independent study essentially, and I know that it is no substitute for an actual course, but I'm willing to try to learn what I can as a hobby.

So, should I go for Electromagnetism next? Solid-state? Classical Mechanics? Intro to relativity? I honestly have not the slightest clue what should come next... Thanks
 
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My undergrad had no physics major and I made it a point to talk to the few physics professors we had individually and ask them if they'd be willing to supervise an independent study course in various topics (I did one in E&M, one in plasma physics). I was a math major, and it was just too convenient and cost effective for me to stay at that university, so I didn't want to transfer out. I ended up doing a master's program in plasma physics and I'm applying to PhD programs now.

So make sure you talk to your Profs and see if you can get these courses credited as independent study courses.

However, if you haven't taken Diff. Eq. I would suggest taking a formal course in that (and vector calculus) before venturing into any further physics topics.
 
Hercuflea said:
My undergrad had no physics major and I made it a point to talk to the few physics professors we had individually and ask them if they'd be willing to supervise an independent study course in various topics (I did one in E&M, one in plasma physics). I was a math major, and it was just too convenient and cost effective for me to stay at that university, so I didn't want to transfer out. I ended up doing a master's program in plasma physics and I'm applying to PhD programs now.

So make sure you talk to your Profs and see if you can get these courses credited as independent study courses.

However, if you haven't taken Diff. Eq. I would suggest taking a formal course in that (and vector calculus) before venturing into any further physics topics.

That sounds interesting. We have two physical chemists on staff and a couple of physicists I believe, although they are adjuncts for whatever reason. I doubt that I would have the skills to apply to a graduate program in physics myself, but hopefully I can find something where I can apply such concepts. I may do that, I know that we do have that as a course listing, an independent study; I will e-mail some of them now.

Diff Eq will be at least a year away from now unfortunately. I don't think that it is offered again until next Spring.

Thank you for your reply
 
Adsit_Deus said:
I was wondering what the next course in a physics sequence would be after University (Calc-Based, Engineering, etc) Physics I and II

At many schools, the next course is an "Introduction to Modern Physics" which includes relativity, some quantum mechanics (not a thorough treatment) and some application areas such as atomic physics, nuclear physics and solid-state physics. There are a number of textbooks intended for such a course: Krane, Beiser, Ohanian, Taylor/Zafiratos/Dubson, etc.

After that, there are upper-level courses in individual subjects that were already partly covered in the intro courses: classical mechanics, thermodynamics & statistical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, etc.

Check a few web sites of universities that do offer physics majors and you'll probably see this general pattern, with some variations.
 
jtbell said:
At many schools, the next course is an "Introduction to Modern Physics" course which includes relativity, some quantum mechanics (not a thorough treatment) and some application areas such as atomic physics, nuclear physics and solid-state physics.

After that, there are upper-level courses in individual subjects that were already partly covered in the intro courses: classical mechanics, thermodynamics & statistical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, etc.

Check a few web sites of universities that do offer physics majors and you'll probably see this general pattern, with some variations.

Thank you; that was the trend that I was seeing, but some schools were irritatingly giving me an abbreviation (PHYSXXXX) and made me run around trying to look up a course description. It didn't help that I was one my phone.

At any rate, thank you again. I am going to get a book for Christmas to flip through as an introduction. My school (thankfully) offers Modern Physics, which I plan on trying to take my Junior or Senior year.
 

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