Index Refraction: Transparent Bulk Matter?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of index refraction in relation to the transparency of bulk matter, particularly focusing on the conditions under which materials can be considered transparent despite their size and absorption characteristics. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding light transmission in materials.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for materials with a real part of the index of refraction |n| much greater than the extinction coefficient |K|, transparency is expected due to weak absorption.
  • Another participant provides an example of water, stating that while it is generally considered transparent, at significant depths in the ocean, it becomes dark due to light absorption, raising questions about the definition of transparency.
  • A third participant comments on the nature of approximations in physics, suggesting that materials can only be treated as perfectly transparent under certain conditions, particularly when they are thin, although the definition of "thin" may vary based on the desired accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which materials can be considered transparent, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the definitions of transparency and the dependency on the size of the material and the depth of light penetration, which are not fully resolved.

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Hi.
In the textsbook i raed for frequencies that (real part of index refraction) |n|~1>>|K| (exitinction coefficient), we have transparent matter (weak absorption). If we have a bulk matter with big diameter, that there are no transmitted light ( i don't know it is possible or not), our matter be transparent or it is meaningless.

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Yes, that's kinda convention. Take water for example. In some hundred meters depth, the ocean is completely dark as all light from the sun has been absorbed, although we would usually consider water to be transparent.
 
That's the nature of approximations; they only work in certain regions of parameter space. For example, mostly transparent materials can only be treated as perfectly transparent if the object of interest is thin (how thin depends on how accurate you want the approximation to be).
 
Thanks.:smile:
 

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