Induced Drag Airfoil: Proportional to Velocity^2?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between induced drag and velocity in airfoils, particularly questioning whether induced drag is inversely proportional to the square of the velocity. Participants explore theoretical definitions, mathematical formulations, and practical implications of induced drag in various flight conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that induced drag is defined as inversely proportional to the square of the airspeed, referencing a formula that appears to contradict this by being proportional to velocity squared.
  • Another participant describes induced drag as related to the effective angle of attack and lift, suggesting that as airspeed increases, the angle of diversion decreases, which affects induced drag.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of induced drag being solely attributed to wingtip vortices, especially in scenarios like takeoff and landing where induced drag is significant.
  • Multiple participants note that the coefficient of induced drag (CDi) and the coefficient of lift (CL) do not include a velocity term, leading to confusion about their dependence on velocity.
  • Some participants propose that in level flight, maintaining constant lift leads to a decrease in CL and CDi with increasing speed, suggesting a relationship that may hold until higher speeds are reached.
  • There is a discussion about the trade-offs between induced drag and parasitic drag, with one participant questioning the separation of total drag into these components in practical wing design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between induced drag and velocity, with no consensus reached on whether induced drag is inversely proportional to velocity squared. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of various factors influencing induced drag.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding, including the dependence on assumptions about flight conditions and the complexity of drag components at higher speeds.

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Induced drag of an airfoil should be inversely proportional to velocity^2 wiki states "Since induced drag is inversely proportional to the square of the airspeed" Ok but [Induced Drag = 0.5 * Density * Velocity2 * Wing Area * Induced Drag Coefficient] which is proportional to the veloicty^2 and not inversely proportional and the term CDi which is CDi = (k*CL2)/ (pi*AR) does not have a velocity term thus how can it be inversely proportional?
 
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Induced drag is normally defined as sin(θ) x lift, where θ = effective angle of attack, or θ = effective angle of deflection of air flow relative to the aircraft, which is what the wiki article diagram shows.

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As airspeed increased, the angle of diversion decreases, so that sin(θ) x lift decreases with speed^2. This is an approximation that starts to deviate from reality once above mach 0.3->0.4, depending on the aircraft.

The wiki article claims that the source of induce drag and downwash (lift) is related to wingtip vortices:

wiki_Source_of_induced_drag.html

However other web sites point out the somewhat obvious fact that induced drag on an 747 at takeoff and landing (slow speed, high amount of induced drag) would rip the wing tips apart if the source of induced drag was solely due to wingtip vortices or wingtip and trailing edge vortices (some airfoils minimize trailing edge vortices for a given load and speed range).
 
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But CDi = (k*CL2)/ (pi*AR) (coefficient of induced drag) doesn't have a velocity term and neither does CL (coefficient of lift) so I don't see why it would change with velocity.
 
GlynnHeeswijk said:
But CDi = (k*CL2)/ (pi*AR) (coefficient of induced drag) doesn't have a velocity term and neither does CL (coefficient of lift) so I don't see why it would change with velocity.
In level flight, the amount of lift generated is constant, so CL and CDi would decrease with speed^2, a reasonable approximation until you reach speeds above mach 0.3 or 0.4, where a much more complex form of mathematical model is requried.
 
Jeff Reid said:
In level flight, the amount of lift generated is constant, so CL and CDi would decrease with speed^2, a reasonable approximation until you reach speeds above mach 0.3 or 0.4, where a much more complex form of mathematical model is requried.

That kinda makes sense as you would lower angle of attack to keep the lift constant as velocity increases thus lowering the lift coefficient which would in turn lower the induced drag coefficient.
 
GlynnHeeswijk said:
That kinda makes sense as you would lower angle of attack to keep the lift constant as velocity increases thus lowering the lift coefficient which would in turn lower the induced drag coefficient.
It lowers the induced drag coefficient, but increases the parasitic drag coefficient. I'm not sure why there is such a focus on separating total drag into induced and parasitic components. In the real world, a wing design is a compromise between lift/(total drag) ratio for a given speed range and cost to manufacture.
 

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