Induced EMF in N=181 Coil, A=.01955^2 at t=2.50, 7.50, 15.0, 25.0ms

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced electromotive force (emf) in a circular coil with 181 turns, subjected to a time-dependent magnetic field. The coil has a diameter of 3.91 cm, and the problem specifies evaluating the induced emf at various time intervals: 2.50 ms, 7.50 ms, 15.0 ms, and 25.0 ms.

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  • Participants discuss the use of magnetic flux and the formula for induced emf, with some attempting to calculate the emf at specific times using the change in magnetic flux over time. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the magnetic field's slope and the units involved in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of the slope of the magnetic field and the importance of unit consistency, particularly in converting milliseconds to seconds.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the units of the magnetic field change and the time intervals used in calculations, which may affect the accuracy of the induced emf results.

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A magnetic field with the time dependence shown in Figure 23-38 is at right angles to a 181 turn circular coil with a diameter of 3.91 cm. What is the induced emf in the coil at each of the following times?

23-38.gif


(a) t = 2.50 ms
0 V
(b) t = 7.50 ms

(c) t = 15.0 ms
0 V
(d) t = 25.0 ms

N = 181
A = .01955^2

i've gotten (a) and (c) right but am having a very hard time with (b) and (d). for (b) I've been doing \phi = BA cos \theta where \theta = 0 for t= 7.50 m/s as the final flux and then at t= 2.50 m/s for the initial flux . Then to find induced emf I've been doing 181((\phi_{f} - \phi_{i})/(7.50 - 2.50)) but am getting the wrong answer, what am i doing wrong??
 
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can anyone help me?
 
wr1015 said:
A magnetic field with the time dependence shown in Figure 23-38 is at right angles to a 181 turn circular coil with a diameter of 3.91 cm. What is the induced emf in the coil at each of the following times?

23-38.gif


(a) t = 2.50 ms
0 V
(b) t = 7.50 ms

(c) t = 15.0 ms
0 V
(d) t = 25.0 ms

N = 181
A = .01955^2

i've gotten (a) and (c) right but am having a very hard time with (b) and (d). for (b) I've been doing \phi = BA cos \theta where \theta = 0 for t= 7.50 m/s as the final flux and then at t= 2.50 m/s for the initial flux . Then to find induced emf I've been doing 181((\phi_{f} - \phi_{i})/(7.50 - 2.50)) but am getting the wrong answer, what am i doing wrong??

To be honest, I am really not following what you did.

But the induced emf is (dropping all signs) N A cos (theta) dB/dt in your case (only the magnitude of B changes). And dB/dt is simply the slope of the graph. So for the emf at 7.50 ms, the slope of the graph is dB/dt = (-0.01 - 0.02)/(10 ms - 5 ms) . Dropping the sign, multiplying by N A should give you the answer.


Patrick
 
nrqed said:
To be honest, I am really not following what you did.

But the induced emf is (dropping all signs) N A cos (theta) dB/dt in your case (only the magnitude of B changes). And dB/dt is simply the slope of the graph. So for the emf at 7.50 ms, the slope of the graph is dB/dt = (-0.01 - 0.02)/(10 ms - 5 ms) . Dropping the sign, multiplying by N A should give you the answer.Patrick

(-.01-.02)/(10-5) = -.006

dropping the sign: (181) (.006) \pi (.01955^2)

i get .001303 V but that's not right :confused:

edit: fixed
 
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wr1015 said:
(-.01-.02)/(10-5) = -.006

dropping the sign: (181) (.006) (.01955^2)

i get .001303 V but that's not right :confused:
You seem tohave forgotten to multiply r^2 by Pi !
 
nrqed said:
You seem tohave forgotten to multiply r^2 by Pi !

oops sorry that was supposed to have \pi in there, i didn't forget it in my calculation
 
wr1015 said:
(-.01-.02)/(10-5) = -.006

dropping the sign: (181) (.006) \pi (.01955^2)

i get .001303 V but that's not right :confused:

edit: fixed
You must put dB/dt in Tesla per second...so it`s 6 Tesla/second
 
nrqed said:
You must put dB/dt in Tesla per second...so it`s 6 Tesla/second

ooooooohhhh ok, but why isn't it already in T/s??
 
wr1015 said:
ooooooohhhh ok, but why isn't it already in T/s??
Because the time you divided by was in milliseconds.
Do you get the right answer now? I need to go to bed :wink:
 

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