Induced motional emf conceptual question

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The discussion revolves around the concept of induced motional electromotive force (emf) in the context of a conductive bar moving through a magnetic field. Participants are exploring the behavior of electrons in response to the magnetic field and the forces acting on them.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are questioning the direction of electron movement in relation to the magnetic field and the forces acting on them. There is a discussion about the application of the right-hand rule versus the left-hand rule in determining the direction of forces on charges.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the use of the right-hand rule for positive charges and the need to reverse the direction for electrons. Others have introduced the concept of the Hall effect and its relation to the scenario, suggesting that a voltage develops due to the movement of electrons.

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There is a mention of the book not providing a satisfactory explanation, indicating a potential gap in the resources available to the original poster. The discussion also highlights the complexity of conventional current versus electron flow, which may be a source of confusion.

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A magnetic field points into the page. A conductive bar is moved to the right (perpendicular to the magnetic field). Why do the electrons move downwards toward the bottom of the bar? The book doesn't offer a good explanation of this... using right hand rule I would say that the electrons are moving to the right and therefore there is a force pointing upward?
 
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EngineerHead said:
using right hand rule I would say that the electrons are moving to the right and therefore there is a force pointing upward?
The right hand rule will give you the force on a positive charge. You need to reverse it, since the electrons are negative.
 
When charges move through a magnetic field they experience a force.
The force is at right angles to the magnetic field and at right angles to the velocity of the charge.
This relationship is given in Fleming's LEFT hand rule. I hope you recognise this and realize in this rule the fingers of the LEFT hand have the following meaning:
1) The First finger points in the direction of the magnetic Field ( The 'F' in 'F'ield)
2) the seCond finger is the direction of the Current (this is the direction + charges would move in). This is a major issue ! conventional 'current' is the direction + charges would flow. When you are dealing with a flow of electrons (- charge) the second finger must point in the opposite direction of electron flow. This is the main aspect of this work to sort out !
3) The thuMb points in the direction of the force on the charges. ( M = Motion !)
In your example the magnetic field is INTO the plane of the paper...point the first finger of your left hand into the paper. The electrons in the wire are moving to the right so you must point your second finger to the LEFT (it takes some getting used to !)
Which way is your thumb pointing? ( I hope that it is DOWN (towards you if you are sitting like I am !)).
Electrons feel a force towards the bottom of the wire, they will move in this direction until a voltage is built up, with the bottom end of the wire -ve and the top end +ve opposing the further movement of electrons. A voltage is developed between the top end and the bottom end of the moving wire.
This effect is called the Hall effect and the voltage is called the Hall voltage.
If you need to know more look up Hall effect.
 
I should add and qualify that the Hall effect is usually associated with a current flowing from one end of a PLATE (rather than a wire) to the other. The electrons are deflected down as in your example and a voltage appears between the top edge of the plate and the bottom edge.
 

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