Induction proofs: fibonacci numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving a Fibonacci sequence equation using mathematical induction. The equation in question relates Fibonacci numbers indexed by two variables, n and k.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the structure of the induction proof, with attempts to establish a base case and manipulate the equation for the inductive step. Questions arise regarding the appropriate variable to use for induction and the implications of variable substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to clarify the induction process, with some participants suggesting different approaches to the proof. There is acknowledgment of confusion regarding variable usage in the context of the proof, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for misunderstanding due to the dual variable nature of the problem, which may complicate the induction process. There is also mention of specific Fibonacci identities that could be relevant to the proof.

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Homework Statement



Use induction to prove this equation:

F(n+k) = F(k)F(n+1) + F(k-1)F(n)


Homework Equations



F(0)=0 and F(1)=1
F(n)=F(n-1)+F(n-2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Base: n=0, k=1
F(1)=(1*1)+(0*0)=1

True for n=k

k=k+1
F(2k+1) = F(k)F(k+2) + F(k-1)F(k+1)

Here is where I get stuck, I'm not sure how to manipulate this equation to show they are equal. I'm pretty sure I can solve it using only the relevant equations above.
 
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Well if you pick your induction on for example on n, you get:

F(n+k+1)=F(n+k)+F(n+k-1)
You need to use here a different induction which asserts that if we assume that it's true for all s<n then it's true for s=n.

So this means that:
F(n+k)=F(k)F(n+1)+F(k-1)F(n)
F(n+k-1)=F(k)F(n)+F(k-1)F(n-1)
add them and you get the required equality, use F(n+1)+F(n)=F(n+2) and F(n)+F(n-1)=F(n+1).
 
LOLChris said:
True for n=k

k=k+1
F(2k+1) = F(k)F(k+2) + F(k-1)F(k+1)

Here is where I get stuck, I'm not sure how to manipulate this equation to show they are equal. I'm pretty sure I can solve it using only the relevant equations above.

Be careful! The k that you're using in your inductive hypothesis and the k in the original problem are not the same number
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Well if you pick your induction on for example on n, you get:

F(n+k+1)=F(n+k)+F(n+k-1)
You need to use here a different induction which asserts that if we assume that it's true for all s<n then it's true for s=n.

So this means that:
F(n+k)=F(k)F(n+1)+F(k-1)F(n)
F(n+k-1)=F(k)F(n)+F(k-1)F(n-1)
add them and you get the required equality, use F(n+1)+F(n)=F(n+2) and F(n)+F(n-1)=F(n+1).

Thanks, once I realized I could substitute for F(n+k) it was all downhill from there.

One question, when writing an induction proof for equations like this with two variables (n and k), should you prove 'n+1' or 'k+1'? Or both?
 

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