Inertia of a beam with added masses

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia of a beam with additional masses attached. Participants explore the concepts of center of mass and moment of inertia, particularly in the context of a homework problem involving a beam of mass and length with added weights.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework problem involving a beam with additional masses and asks for help in determining the moment of inertia about its center.
  • Another participant prompts for the formulas studied and suggests calculating the center of mass as a starting point.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the center of mass calculation and attempts to derive it, proposing a distance of 1/8 * L from the center of the beam to the end with additional mass.
  • A later reply challenges the calculation of the center of mass, suggesting that the participant should calculate the first moment of all masses about a common origin and divide by the total mass.
  • There is a mention of the 'parallel axis theorem' as potentially relevant to the proofs studied by the participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculation of the center of mass, with one participant asserting a calculation that is later challenged by another. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to finding the moment of inertia.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relevant equations and concepts, particularly in relation to the center of mass and moment of inertia. There are indications of missing assumptions and unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement



A beam of mass m and length L with a moment of inertia (mL^2)/12 carries additional masses of m/2 at one end and at its centre. The moment of inertia about its centre is now...

(a) - (5/24)mL^2
(b) - 0
(c) - (1/12)mL^2
(d) - (1/3)mL^2
(e) - (17/96)L^2

Homework Equations



I'm not sure what equations to use.

The Attempt at a Solution



And I have no solution.
 
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Well, what formulas have you studied? Most people will list something.

Can you at least figure out what the center of mass will be?
 
Thanks SteamKing for the reply.
I'm revising for exams in two weeks or so and I can't remember doing any questions like this, although we did some theory on centres of gravity and inertia. They were really proofs though. No I don't understand how to get the centre of mass. Although I could give it a go;

Is it 1/8* L from the centre of the beam to the end of the beam with the additional mass?

→ m * g * (1/2) * y = m * g * (3/2) * x

where x is the distance of the centre of gravity from the centre of the beam and y is the distance of the centre of gravity from end of the beam with the additional mass.

→ y = 3x; y + x = L * (1/2);

→ L * (1/2) - x = 3x

→ x = L * (1/8)
 
cmcd said:
Thanks SteamKing for the reply.
I'm revising for exams in two weeks or so and I can't remember doing any questions like this, although we did some theory on centres of gravity and inertia. They were really proofs though. No I don't understand how to get the centre of mass. Although I could give it a go;

Is it 1/8* L from the centre of the beam to the end of the beam with the additional mass?

→ m * g * (1/2) * y = m * g * (3/2) * x

where x is the distance of the centre of gravity from the centre of the beam and y is the distance of the centre of gravity from end of the beam with the additional mass.

→ y = 3x; y + x = L * (1/2);

→ L * (1/2) - x = 3x

→ x = L * (1/8)

Well, the proofs should tell you something. I mean, you were trying to prove that the c.o.m. of
a given shape was related to its dimensions, right? Ditto for the moment of inertia.
Was one of the proofs called the 'parallel axis theorem' by any chance?

In any event, your calculations for the c.o.m. are wrong. You want to calculate the
first moment of all the masses about a common origin, and then divide this moment by the total mass.
You do know what a moment is, don't you?
 

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