Infinite dimensional counterexample

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The discussion revolves around the properties of orthogonal complements in vector spaces, specifically examining the implications when the vector space is infinite dimensional. The original poster questions the validity of certain results related to direct sums and orthogonal complements when the finite dimensionality condition is removed.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the nature of orthogonality in infinite dimensional spaces and question the assumptions regarding inner products. They discuss specific examples, such as the space of square-summable sequences and the space of continuous functions, to illustrate potential counterexamples where the properties may not hold.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing examples and questioning the assumptions underlying the original poster's inquiry. Some guidance is offered through examples, but there is no consensus on the implications of dropping the finite dimensionality condition.

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Participants note that the definition of orthogonality is dependent on the inner product used, which may not be naturally defined in infinite dimensional spaces. There is also mention of specific subspaces that challenge the original properties discussed.

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Let V be a finite dimensional vector space and let W be a subspace of V.
1. Then V is the direct sum of W and W' where W' denotes the orthogonal complement of W.
2. Also, (W')' = W, i.e the orthogonal complement of the orthgonal complement of W is
again W.

My question is, what happens if we drop the condition that V is finite dimensional, would
the results would be still valid? what happens with condition 1 and 2??
 
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Part of the problem here is that "orthogonality" depends on the specific inner product and there is no "natural" inner product on infinite dimensional vector spaces. Are you assuming a specific inner product and, if so, what?
 
Sorry, I accidentally clicked on report.

I read somewhere in the web that l^2(N) is such counterexample where l^2(N) is the set of all sequences of real numbers (x_1, x_2,...) such that
sum( x_i^2 , i=1 to infinity) < infinity.

But I don't know which subspace of l^2(N) should I consider to find where the properties fail.
 
I'll give you a simpler example. Let V be the space of all continuous functions on [0,1]. Define the inner product <f,g> to be the integral of f*g over [0,1]. Let W be the subspace of all functions such that f(0)=0. The only element of W' is f=0. V obviously isn't equal to the direct sum of W and W'. They don't even span V.
 
In the case of I^2(N), take W to be the subspace of all sequences with only a finite number of elements nonzero. Both of these examples have a common elements. You have a proper subspace W that is dense in V.
 

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