What is the physical significance of Poisson brackets?

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The discussion centers on the physical significance of Poisson brackets within classical mechanics, exploring their interpretation and motivation. Participants are seeking to understand the implications of the Poisson bracket in relation to position and momentum, as well as its derivation and relevance in both classical and quantum contexts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses familiarity with the definition of Poisson brackets but seeks an intuitive understanding of their physical meaning, particularly regarding the relationship between position and momentum.
  • Another participant provides a link to a previous discussion on the significance of Poisson brackets, suggesting that it may contain relevant insights.
  • A participant indicates that the linked thread did not clarify their confusion about the non-zero Poisson bracket for position and momentum, despite their classical commutation, and highlights the common comparison to quantum mechanics.
  • A further suggestion includes a reference to a paper discussing the geometrical interpretation of Poisson brackets in phase space, although the participant admits to not fully grasping the explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the physical significance of Poisson brackets, with multiple interpretations and uncertainties expressed regarding their implications and derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention confusion regarding the relationship between Poisson brackets and classical commutation, as well as the potential geometrical interpretations that remain unresolved.

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I know the definition of the Poisson bracket and how to derive elementary results from it, but I'm struggling to understand intuitively what they are describing physically? For example, the Poisson bracket between position q_{i} and momentum coordinates p_{j} is given by \lbrace q_{i},p_{j}\rbrace = \delta_{ij}
but what is this describing physically? is it that momentum generates a change in position or is it something else?

Also, how is the Poisson bracket motivated? Is it a quantity that arises naturally which we define to be the Poisson bracket, or is it derived in some manner?
 
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Thanks for the link. I've actually already had a look at that thread and it didn't really help unfortunately.

I think part of the issue is how to interpret the fact that the Poisson bracket for position and momentum is non-zero, but these commute in classical mechanics (the confusion arising from the fact that people often seem to describe the Poisson bracket by comparing it to the quantum commutator)?!
 
This might help...
(it's been on my to-read list)
http://projecteuclid.org/euclid.cmp/1103907394
On the relation between classical and quantum observables (Abhay Ashtekar)

There's a geometrical interpretation involving the symplectic form in phase space... but I haven't absorbed it well enough to explain.
 

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