Inifinte integers between each interval of time

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The discussion centers around the concept of time intervals and the existence of infinite real numbers between any two points in time. Participants explore the implications of this idea on our perception of time and its continuity, referencing philosophical paradoxes and mathematical concepts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that between any two intervals of time, there exists an infinite number of real numbers, raising questions about how we can perceive time as constant.
  • Another participant clarifies that integers are distinct from reals, emphasizing that the number of integers between 1 and 2 is zero, while reals can be infinitely dense.
  • Several participants reference Zeno's paradox, suggesting that it presents similar challenges regarding motion and time perception.
  • A participant introduces the concept of convergent series, illustrating how an infinite set of numbers can sum to a finite value, which may relate to the passage of time.
  • Concerns are expressed about the complexity of calculus and its relevance to understanding these concepts, with some participants indicating that rigorous proofs may not be necessary for grasping the underlying ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between infinite numbers in time intervals and our perception of time. There is no consensus on how these concepts reconcile with our understanding of time, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion touches on both philosophical and mathematical aspects, with references to Zeno's paradox and convergent series, which may require deeper mathematical understanding to fully engage with the arguments presented.

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Hey guys!
I am new here, and would like to ask a question that has been on my mind for a very long time. I've searched on the internet to find a solution to this question, but have come up with nothing, so I searched for a physics forum which could possibly put my question to rest.

Here it is:

Between each interval of time, there is an infinite amount of reals between them.

e.g. between 1s and 2s, (1.1s, 1.2s, 1.3s, 1.4s... 2s).
even between 1.1s, and 1.2s, (1.1s, 1.12s, 1.13s, 1.14s...1.2s)
even between 1.1s, and 1.11s (1.101s, 1.102s, 1.103s...1.1s)
and so on.

So technically between each interval of time, there has to also be an infinite amount of reals that will never be reached.

But then how can we ever even reach 2 seconds from 1 second?

How is it possible then that we perceive time as being constant, regardless of relativity.
 
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1] The integers are 1,2,3,4... etc.
1.5 is not an integer
The number of integers between 1 and 2 is zero.

You mean the reals: 1, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3...2] Read up on Zeno's paradoxes. He had similar troubles. Look at Achilles and the tortoise. It was not resolved satisfactorily until more modern times.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
1] The integers are 1,2,3,4... you mean the reals: 1, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3...
2] Read up on Zeno's paradox.

Sorry, I thought that was an integer :P lol

I've read about it, but that has to do with distances. How can we perceive time as constant if there are an infinite amount of "reals" between each interval?

thats my real question
 
Gurglas said:
Sorry, I thought that was an integer :P lol

I've read about it, but that has to do with distances. How can we perceive time as constant if there are an infinite amount of "reals" between each interval?

thats my real question

Also read up on convergent series.

An infinite set of numbers can add up to a finite number.

1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ... = 1

If you look at these number as fractions of a second, you can see how an infinite number of fractions of a second can pass in a finite amount of time.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Also read up on convergent series.

An infinite set of numbers can add up to a finite number.

1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ... = 1

If you look at these number as fractions of a second, you can see how an infinite number of fractions of a second can pass in a finite amount of time.

Thanks, unfortunately my calculus is limited to just second year uni, so it's a bit over my head :(
 
Gurglas said:
I've read about it, but that has to do with distances. How can we perceive time as constant if there are an infinite amount of "reals" between each interval?

They're really the same problem. Imagine applying Zeno's paradox to the sweep seconds hand of an analog clock/watch: In five seconds the hand will move from one number to the next... But after 2.5 seconds it's only half-way there, and then it takes 1.25 seconds to cover half the remaining distance, and then .625 seconds to cover half the still-remaining distance... and because there are an infinite number of reals in between, there are an infinite number of steps to take, each one requiring some time. So how does the hand ever get there?
 
Gurglas said:
Thanks, unfortunately my calculus is limited to just second year uni, so it's a bit over my head :(

It's over my head too. :smile:

Unless you're looking for rigorous proofs, don't worry about the calculus. Just look at the concepts.
 

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