Initial momentum amplitude to wave function

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The discussion revolves around the application of initial momentum to a wave function, specifically involving integrals of exponential forms related to quantum mechanics. The problem appears to involve manipulating a plane wave and integrating expressions that include complex exponentials and Gaussian-like terms.

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  • Participants explore the integration of an expression involving a complex exponential and question how to handle the additional variable q in the integral. There are discussions about using integration by parts and completing the square in the integral.

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Several participants have provided guidance on manipulating the integral and suggested techniques such as completing the square and separating real and imaginary parts. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the integral, and some participants express confusion about the original setup and notation.

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There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the notation and the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions. The discussion also highlights the lack of consensus on the best approach to take with the integral due to its complexity.

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So I had to use this initial momentum and multiply it by a plane wave (sure you are aware of the exp[i(px+p^2(t)/2m)\hbar] )
setting p-p_0 to q and then coupling all terms together to get an integral of the form where one could complete the square the problem here is the extra q, which seems to force me to to integration by parts. The problem is I can set u=q but if dv is my exponential term what is v? I've never seen how to

\int_{-\infty}^\infty dq(q)exp[-q^2(\frac{\alpha^2}{2}+\frac{it}{2m\hbar})+ q(\frac{ix}{\hbar}+\frac{ipt}{2m\hbar})crud. I'm not sure how to post latex here. I guess this is my second question. To see the above the link is here www.whoisntdavidrinaldi.com\help1.pdf
 
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##\small \psi(x)## is the Fourier transform of ##\small \phi(p)## - time-evolve - use the derivation for eq3.61 to guide your algebra.

##\small \LaTeX2e## is posted between double-hash marks for inline equations and double-dollar signs for display math. Use the "quote" button (bottom left of this post) to see the following example:
$$\int \phi(p)=\sqrt{\frac{2\alpha^3}{\sqrt{\pi}}}(p-p_0)e^{-\alpha^2(p-p_0)^2/2}$$

exp[i(px+p^2(t)/2m)\hbar] (a bit of confusion about brackets there?) comes out as: $$e^{-i(px+p^2t/2m)\hbar }$$

Your actual question though...
The problem is I can set u=q but if dv is my exponential term what is v? I've never seen how to

You are trying to do:
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty q\exp\left[-q^2(\frac{\alpha^2}{2}+\frac{it}{2m\hbar})+ q(\frac{ix}{\hbar}+\frac{ipt}{2m\hbar})\right ]\; dq$$ ... I tidied up your latex a bit.

Integrals of form: ##\int \exp [x^2]dx## have no analytic solution.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty q\exp\left[-q^2(\frac{\alpha^2}{2}+\frac{it}{2m\hbar})+ q(\frac{ix}{\hbar}+\frac{ipt}{2m\hbar})\right ]\; dq$$ ... I tidied up your latex a bit.

Integrals of form: ##\int \exp [x^2]dx## have no analytic solution.

if we look at my first equation, and forget about the extra q lying around, we get something of the form

##\int_{-\infty}^\infty \exp [-x^2+x]dx##

or $$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \exp [-x^2-x]dx$$

do have solutions..it's just that this new q makes me need to use integration by parts as well.
 
Kidphysics said:
if we look at my first equation, and forget about the extra q lying around, we get something of the form

##\int_{-\infty}^\infty \exp [-x^2+x]dx##

or $$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \exp [-x^2-x]dx$$

do have solutions..it's just that this new q makes me need to use integration by parts as well.
... well $$\int\exp[ax-bx^2]dx = \frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2\sqrt{b}}\exp \left[\frac{a^2}{4b}\right]\text{erf}\left[\frac{2bx-a}{2\sqrt{b}}\right]+c$$ ... but you have an integral of complex exponential so you could try to express is as a sum of sines and cosines.
 
I am confused

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That differs from what you wrote in post #1... you have bx-ax^2 in the exponent.

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Assuming I misread your expression in post #1...
Integrating your version by parts:

$$\int xe^{-ax^2-bx} dx = \frac{b\sqrt{pi}}{4a^{3/2}}e^{\frac{b^2}{4a}}\text{erf}\bigg(\frac{2ax+b}{2\sqrt{a}}\bigg)-\frac{1}{2a}e^{-x(ax+b)}+c$$

I've still got the nagging feeling you should also separate real and imaginary parts - especially considering you'll end up taking the complex conjugate after.
 
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Why don’t you complete the square in the integral?
let a = α2/2 + ipt/2mhbar
b = ix/hbar + ipt/2mhbar
e-(a + b*b/4a*a)∫qe(b/2a-q)*(b/2a-q)dq

and making the substitution q’ = b/2a-q
I get
e-(a + b*b/4a*a)[(b/2a)e-q’*q’-√(π/4)erf(√q’) ]

--sorry about the notation. I don't know how to type the square of an exponential argument,
 
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the exponential of x^2 in LaTeX is \exp(x^2) or e^x^2
using the bv code you have to write exp[x2].

when you substitute back, you'll end up with the answer in post #6.
That's as close as I want to get to doing the problem for OP - let's wait for feedback before providing the next clue OK?
 

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