Initial value problem D.E. (confused of a weird sol.)

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The discussion centers on solving the initial value problem for the differential equation y" + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-2x with given conditions. The homogeneous solution was initially misidentified, as only one independent solution was considered, while the equation is second order and requires two. After correcting this by including the second independent solution, the particular solution was adjusted to avoid overlap with the homogeneous solutions. The final general solution was determined to be y = 2e-2x + 9xe-2x + (3/2)x2 e-2x + (1/6)x3 e-2x, satisfying the initial conditions. The thread highlights the importance of correctly identifying independent solutions in solving differential equations.
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Homework Statement


solve:

y" + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-2x ... (1); y(0) = 2 & y'(0) = 5

Homework Equations


using Undetermined Coefficients Method


The Attempt at a Solution



solving the associated homog. eq of (1) : y" + 4y' + 4y = 0 ... (2)

we get: yc = c1 e-2x as m=-2

let f(x) = (3 + x)e-2x

the UC set of :

a) 3e-2x = {e-2x} = S1

b) xe-2x = {xe-2x , e-2x} = S2

as S1 is included in S2 then we omit S1

but e-2x is a solution of (2) as its in yc then we multiply the 2ns set by x to get:

S'2 = {x2 e-2x, xe-2x } where both of the elements are NOT sol.'s of (2)

hence we get yp = Axe-2x + Bx2 e-2x

y'p = Ae-2x -2Axe-2x + 2Bxe-2x - 2Bx2 e-2x

& y"p = -4Ae-2x + 4Axe-2x + 2Be-2x - 8Bxe-2x +4Bx2 e-2x

substitution in (1) one gets:

2Be-2x = (3+x)e-2x so B = 3+x/2 ? ??

where is A? why is B interms of x?

please help
thx
 
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bobmerhebi said:
solving the associated homog. eq of (1) : y" + 4y' + 4y = 0 ... (2)

we get: yc = c1 e-2x as m=-2

Sure, m=-2 but with what multiplicity?:wink:...Remember, your homog DE is second order, so you expect two linearly independent solutions. You seem to only be using one of them.

This will also affect y_p.
 
bobmerhebi said:

Homework Statement


solve:

y" + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-2x ... (1); y(0) = 2 & y'(0) = 5

Homework Equations


using Undetermined Coefficients Method


The Attempt at a Solution



solving the associated homog. eq of (1) : y" + 4y' + 4y = 0 ... (2)

we get: yc = c1 e-2x as m=-2
This is a second order equation. You need TWO independent solutions to form the general solution. Since m= -2 is a double root of the characteristic equation, xe-x is the other, independent, solution.

let f(x) = (3 + x)e-2x

the UC set of :

a) 3e-2x = {e-2x} = S1

b) xe-2x = {xe-2x , e-2x} = S2

as S1 is included in S2 then we omit S1

but e-2x is a solution of (2) as its in yc then we multiply the 2ns set by x to get:

S'2 = {x2 e-2x, xe-2x } where both of the elements are NOT sol.'s of (2)

hence we get yp = Axe-2x + Bx2 e-2x

y'p = Ae-2x -2Axe-2x + 2Bxe-2x - 2Bx2 e-2x

& y"p = -4Ae-2x + 4Axe-2x + 2Be-2x - 8Bxe-2x +4Bx2 e-2x

substitution in (1) one gets:

2Be-2x = (3+x)e-2x so B = 3+x/2 ? ??

where is A? why is B interms of x?

please help
thx
A has disappeared and you can't solve for the constant B because both Ae-2x and Bxe-2x are already solutions to the homogeneous equation. In order not to have either e-2x or xe-2x you will need to multiply by x2.

Try y= (Ax2+ Bx3) e-2x and solve for A and B.
 
thx. i had in mind that i might have done a mistake in writing y_c but didn't bother to correct it. now i see how it caused the 2nd problem.
now after resolving it i got A =3/2 & B = 1/6

thus we now have:

y = c1 e-2x + c2 xe-2x + (3/2)x2 e-2x + (1/6)x3 e-2x

solving for the conditions i got:

c1 = 2 & c2 = 9

thus y becomes:

y = 2e-2x + 9xe-2x + (3/2)x2 e-2x + (1/6)x3 e-2x


i think this is the general solution. thanks 4 the help
 
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