Homogeneous initial value problem

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The problem involves solving a homogeneous second-order linear differential equation given by 4y" + 4y' + 5y = 0, with initial conditions y(0) = 3 and y'(0) = 1. The original poster attempts to find the general solution using the characteristic equation and expresses concern about the complexity of differentiating the solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the characteristic equation to find roots and the form of the solution. There is a question about the appropriateness of using integration by parts versus the product rule for differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the product rule for differentiation instead of integration by parts. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding terminology, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses fatigue from working on multiple problems, which may influence their clarity in discussing the mathematical concepts involved.

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Homework Statement



4y" + 4y' + 5y = 0
y(0) = 3
y'(0) = 1

Homework Equations



yh = e^ax(c1cosbx + c2sinbx)

The Attempt at a Solution



For the roots I got -1/2 + i and -1/2 - i so my a = -1/2 and b = 1

then I have to differentiate yh = e^(-1/2x)[c1cosx + c2sinx]

this is where I get this overly complicated equation and I was wondering if I could do integration by parts instead.

where I could get something like

yh = -1/2e^(-1/2x)[c1cosx + c2sinx] + [-c1sinx + c2cosx]e^(-1/2x)
 
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Your title is misleading. Your equation is a homogeneous equation.
mtxop2 said:

Homework Statement



4y" + 4y' + 5y = 0
y(0) = 3
y'(0) = 1

Homework Equations



yh = e^ax(c1cosbx + c2sinbx)

The Attempt at a Solution



For the roots I got -1/2 + i and -1/2 - i so my a = -1/2 and b = 1

then I have to differentiate yh = e^(-1/2x)[c1cosx + c2sinx]

this is where I get this overly complicated equation and I was wondering if I could do integration by parts instead.
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You can't use integration by parts if you need to differentiate a function.
mtxop2 said:
where I could get something like

yh = -1/2e^(-1/2x)[c1cosx + c2sinx] + [-c1sinx + c2cosx]e^(-1/2x)
 
Mark44 said:
Your title is misleading. Your equation is a homogeneous equation.
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You can't use integration by parts if you need to differentiate a function.

Damn I'm so sorry I misled you, I've been working on these all day and well you know how that goes. What I meant to say was product rule, where f(x) = e^(-1/2x) and g(x) = [c1cosx + c2sinx]
 
Yes, use product rule for y= e-x/2(c1cosx+c2sinx) to get y'.

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