Need help finding general solution of an initial value problem

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution of a second-order linear differential equation with given initial conditions. The equation is y'' + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-x, and the initial conditions are y(0) = 2 and y'(0) = 5. The subject area is differential equations, specifically focusing on homogeneous and particular solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the form of the particular solution Yp and whether it should be derived from the right side of the equation or the fundamental set of solutions. There are questions about whether multiple particular solutions are needed or if one suffices. Some participants suggest specific forms for Yp based on the equation's structure.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the appropriate form for the particular solution, with some participants providing suggestions and others questioning the assumptions made about the solution forms. Guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of only one particular solution to find the general solution.

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Participants are navigating the implications of the initial conditions and the relationship between the homogeneous and particular solutions. There is some confusion regarding the correct approach to determining the particular solution, particularly in relation to the terms present in the differential equation.

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The equation is

y'' + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-x

and initial conditions y(0) = 2, y'(0)=5so from the associated homogenous equation
I think the fundamental set of solutions is {e^-2x, xe^-2x} and so yc would be

Yc = c1e-2x + c2xe-2x

but now I don't know how to get Yp, particular solution or what form they are.

Do I need to expand the (3 + x)e-x, and then solve for 2 different particular solutions?

so solve for a Yp when y'' + 4y' + 4y = 3e-x as well as
y'' + 4y' + 4y = xe-x, or do I only need to solve for 1 Yp?
 
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You need to have something other than just your Y_c

If you think about your vector spaces and your matrices and you remember the fact that the general solution contains linear combinations of the vectors of the nullspace?
Same thing here, your Y_c is the nullspace part.

Now, just from looking at that equation, the solutions that aren't going to be in the nullspace are going to be of the form x\ e^{-x} and e^{-x} since the function of x on the right hand side contains only these terms, there aren't any e's with powers of +- 2x there.

If I was doing things, I'd plug in the terms I suggested and then add them to the nullspace terms and play about with the coefficients of the those terms to get the initial conditions.
 
Since you already have e^{-x} and xe^{-x} as solutions to the homeneous equation, look for a particular solution of the form (Ax^2+ Bx^3)e^{-x}.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Since you already have e^{-x} and xe^{-x} as solutions to the homeneous equation, look for a particular solution of the form (Ax^2+ Bx^3)e^{-x}.

Hate to catch you on this, HoI, but not quite. His homogenous solution is c_1 e^{-2x} + c_2 x e^{-2x}. His particular solution needs to be of the form (A+Bx)e^{-x}.
 
Thanks, I completely mis-read!
 
Char. Limit said:
Hate to catch you on this, HoI, but not quite. His homogenous solution is c_1 e^{-2x} + c_2 x e^{-2x}. His particular solution needs to be of the form (A+Bx)e^{-x}.

So do I only need just one particular solution to find the general one?
 
maxfails said:
So do I only need just one particular solution to find the general one?

Yes, you only need one particular solution. Then when you add it to your fundamental solutions, you have all solutions. Then use your initial conditions to find the one that fits.
 
Is the form of the Yp supposed to come from the fundamental set of solutions or from the right side of the equation, the (3 + x)e-x ?
 
maxfails said:
Is the form of the Yp supposed to come from the fundamental set of solutions or from the right side of the equation, the (3 + x)e-x ?

You find the particular solution by substituting (A+Bx)e^{-x} into your differential equation and solving for A and B, as Char Limit pointed out.
 

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