Instantaneous Velocity: Can We Find it at a Point?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of instantaneous velocity and whether it can be determined at a single point in space. Participants explore the necessity of multiple observations versus the potential for single-point measurements, touching on theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that instantaneous velocity cannot be determined at a point because it requires at least two points to measure a change in position (dx).
  • Another participant suggests that in certain systems, such as those described by Maxwell's laws, it may be possible to infer velocity from a single observation, such as measuring current in a conductor affected by a moving magnet.
  • A participant reiterates the need for two observations, specifically the times at which the object is at the beginning and end of the length dx.
  • One participant mentions the role of calculus in finding the slope of a curve at a single point, implying that this mathematical approach could provide a means to determine instantaneous velocity.
  • A participant identifies themselves as a beginner, indicating a lack of familiarity with the concepts being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether instantaneous velocity can be determined at a single point. Some maintain that two observations are necessary, while others propose that single observations may suffice in specific contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of calculus and the conditions under which instantaneous velocity might be measured. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of instantaneous velocity in different contexts.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics and mathematics, particularly those exploring concepts related to motion, calculus, and measurement techniques.

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1.one question i have just read n my book that find inst. velocity at a point ? i think it is a wrong quotation since we need atleast two points for measuring dx length so my teacher taught me that assume point p where we have to find inst. velocity thank take one point before and after p that makes dx length and solve the question but here we are not getting the accurate velocity at p. sir so don't you think that we can not find velocity at a point?
Or it is like this
2.if we go to the microscopic level and see the point then there exist a length dx from one end of point to the other end forms length dx...so from here we can find inst. Velocity at a particular point by joining one microscopic end of point to origin as vector r1 and other microscopic end of point to origin as vector r2.?
My question it is wrong to say that we can not find instantaneous velocity at a point it needs at least two point or my 2 explanation is correct ?
 
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You are correct that to calculate velocity from observations of position you need at least two points. But in certain systems there may be other ways that only require one observation.

For instance under Maxwell's laws, when a magnet is moving near a conductor, the current in the conductor is proportional to the velocity of the magnet. So by making a single observation, through a multimeter, of the current in the wire, we could work out the velocity of the magnet.
 
Sir What about if see point at microscopic level then there exist length dx..
 
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You still need two observations, being the times when the object is at the beginning and end of the length dx.
 
Thank u sir
 
I'm guessing you haven't taken calculus yet: one of the fundamental purposes is to find the slope of a curve (such as a distance vs time) at a single point.
 
Just a beginner...
 

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