Integer triangle with integer heights

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The discussion revolves around the properties of triangles with integer side lengths and integer heights, specifically exploring the conditions under which these integers are multiples. The original poster attempts to prove that if the sides and heights of a triangle are integers, then they must all be multiples of some common integer.

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  • Participants discuss proof techniques, including proof by contradiction and the use of Heronian triangles. Questions arise about the definitions of terms like "heights drawn to all sides" and the implications of integer properties on triangle area.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the original poster's proof strategy and clarifying definitions. There is a recognition of potential counterexamples, particularly involving Pythagorean triples, and some guidance is offered regarding the relationships between the sides and heights.

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Some participants note the distinction between prime and composite numbers in the context of the integers being discussed. There are references to specific mathematical concepts such as Heronian triangles and Pythagorean triples, which may influence the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement
Prove that if the lengths of the sides of a triangle and the heights drawn to all sides are integers, then these integers are all multiples.
Relevant Equations
Pythagorean theorem
I tried to figure it out by proof by contradiction. I assumed wlog that one side is a prime number, which gave a contradiction, and I also found that such a triangle should be isosceles. Then I assumed wlog that one of the heights is a prime number and I also got a contradiction. Therefore, all sides and heights are whole numbers, which are also multiples.

Is my idea for proofing okay? Is there a better way for proofing this?
 
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PeroK said:
:welcome:

Are you talking about a Heronian triangle, which also has integer area?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heronian_triangle
Yes. If the triangle has integer sides and integer heights (the heights also must multiples not primes), then I believe the area should also be integer, if I'm not wrong.
 
mathics said:
Yes. If the triangle has integer sides and integer heights (the heights also must multiples not primes), then I believe the area should also be integer, if I'm not wrong.
Can you state precisely what you are tryuing to prove?
 
PeroK said:
Can you state precisely what you are tryuing to prove?
I'm trying to prove that if the lengths of the sides of a triangle and the heights drawn to all sides are integers, then these integers are all multiples.
 
mathics said:
I'm trying to prove that if the lengths of the sides of a triangle and the heights drawn to all sides are integers, then these integers are all multiples.
What does "heights drawn to all sides" mean? Perhaps you could post an image?
 
PeroK said:
What does "heights drawn to all sides" mean? Perhaps you could post an image?
Like so.
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I mean, there are some obvious counter examples if you know your Pythagorean triples …
 
It seems you could try using the formula that uses the Cross-Product, using coordinates centered at the origin. But, like I think Oro was suggesting, funding a Pythagorean triple with sides a,b both odd, though I think there aren't such pairs/triplets.
 
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mathics said:
So, you want to prove that ##a, b, c, g, i, k## have some relationship?
 
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mathics said:
Yes. If the triangle has integer sides and integer heights (the heights also must multiples not primes), then I believe the area should also be integer, if I'm not wrong.
The converse is not true however. There are Heronian triangles whose heights are not (all) integers. Examples include some well known Pythagorean triples.
 
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Orodruin said:
The converse is not true however. There are Heronian triangles whose heights are not (all) integers. Examples include some well known Pythagorean triples.
Thank you for correcting me.
 
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PeroK said:
So, you want to prove that ##a, b, c, g, i, k## have some relationship?
Yes, I want to prove if sides a, b, c are integers and heigths k, i, j are also integers, then theese integers are all multiples.

I believe I have to use triangle area formula and Pythagorean theorem, then compare the sides and heights of the triangle.

I would start by selecting one side and proof by contradiction. (E.g I choose side "a" wlog, and say, it has a prime length, and then i would get a contradiction, so the first statement must be true.)

However, I'm not sure how to format it nicely.
 
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mathics said:
Yes, I want to prove if sides a, b, c are integers and heigths k, i, j are also integers, then theese integers are all multiples.
You mean they are all multiples of some common integer?
 
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PeroK said:
You mean they are all multiples of some common integer?
Well, all sides can be different, it is just that they have to they must have an integer value and they must be multiple numbers. (For example like 6 is integer number and is also a multiple number.)
 
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mathics said:
Well, all sides can be different, it is just that they have to they must have an integer value and they must be multiple numbers. (For example like 6 is integer number and is also a multiple number.)
If you mean not prime, then composite is the correct term.
 
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PeroK said:
If you mean not prime, then composite is the correct term.
Thank you.
 

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