Are There Infinitely Many Prime Numbers Written as ak+b?

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of infinitely many prime numbers of the form \( ak + b \), where \( a, b, k \) are integers greater than 1. Participants explore various approaches and reasoning related to this topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt a proof by contradiction, questioning the validity of their assumptions and reasoning. Some explore specific cases, such as \( ak + 1 \), and discuss the implications of prime divisors in relation to factorials. Others express confusion about the relationships between the variables involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have provided insights into the nature of prime numbers in this context, while others express difficulty in progressing with the problem. There is a recognition of the complexity involved, particularly regarding the assumptions that must hold true for the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the proof may require advanced concepts from analytic number theory and mention that the result is contingent upon the condition \( \text{gcd}(a,b) = 1 \). There are also expressions of frustration regarding the difficulty of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Prove that there are infinitely many prime numbers written ##ak+b##, with ##a,b,k## integers greater than 1

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Please could you tell me if you agree with that proof ?

By contradiction:
Assume that there is an integer ##k## such that ##ak+b## is the greatest prime number of that sort. Then for any ##n > k##, there are ##(u,v)\in \mathbb{N}^\star## such that ##an+b = uv ##. Take ##n = k + u ##, therefore ## ak + b = u (v-a) ##, which contradicts the fact that ##ak+b## is prime.
 
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Now you basically "proved" that any ##an+b## where ##n>k##is prime.
 
Oh ok I see my mistake, I can't chose ##n## once ##u## is set. Thank you, I'll try something else
 
I haven't made much progress on this one...
I can show that there are infinitely many primes written ## ak + 1 ##, ##a## even. If you assume that ## ak_0 + 1 ## is the greatest prime, then ## N = a (ak_0+1)! + 1 ## is compound and has a prime divisor ##p## that must be less than ## a (ak_0 + 1)! ##. In that case, ## p## divides ##N## and ##a(ak_0+1)!##, so it divides 1. contradiction.
 
Why must ##p## divide ##a(ak_0+1)##?
 
if ##p## is less than ##a(ak_0+1)!## it divides it
 
Oh no it doesn't work !
I don't know, this problem is too hard for me
 
geoffrey159 said:
I don't know, this problem is too hard for me

The proof usually requires some fairly difficult analytic number theory. (And the result is only true if ##\text{gcd}(a,b)=1##).
 
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Thank you for the info.
The one line problem statement looked harmless at first, but I literally lost my time with this problem ;-)
 
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geoffrey159 said:
I haven't made much progress on this one...
I can show that there are infinitely many primes written ## ak + 1 ##, ##a## even. If you assume that ## ak_0 + 1 ## is the greatest prime, then ## N = a (ak_0+1)! + 1 ## is compound and has a prime divisor ##p## that must be less than ## a (ak_0 + 1)! ##. In that case, ## p## divides ##N## and ##a(ak_0+1)!##, so it divides 1. contradiction.

@micromass:
I'm sorry to bother you again, but I think the same idea would work just fine with ## N = (ak_0 +1)! +1 ##, because one can factorize ##a## out of the factorial so that N belongs to the set ##\{ ak+1 , k\ge 1 \}##. Right ?
 
  • #11
OK, ##N## is of the form ##ak+1##. So how does that prove anything?
 
  • #12
If you assume that ##ak_0 +1## is the greatest prime of the form ##ak+1##, then ##N## which also has the form ##ak+1## and is greater than ##ak_0 + 1 ## must be compound. So there is a prime number ##p## that divides ##N## and that is not equal to ##N##.
But we must have ##p \le N-1 = (ak_0 +1)! ##. In that case ##p## is a factor in ##(ak_0 +1)!##, so that it divides it. But ##p | N ## and ##p| (ak_0+1)! ## implies that ##p | 1##, which is impossible for a prime number. Therefore ##N## is prime and there are infinitely many primes of the form ##ak+1##
 
  • #13
Why would ##p## be a factor in ##(ak_0 +1)!##
 
  • #14
Because it is smaller than it
 
  • #15
##5## is smaller than ##3!## and doesn't divide it.
 
  • #16
OOOOOOOOOK, I get it :-)
 
  • #17
@micromass
I was completely wrong, ##N## and ## (ak_0 +1)! ## are relatively prime (Bezout), and ## p | N ## so ##p## and ##(ak_0+1)!## are relatively prime. Which is the same as saying that ##p## does not divide ##(ak_0+1)!##
 

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