Integral/Derivative Problem Solving Question

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The problem involves analyzing the temperature distribution along a metal wire that is heated at one end. The context includes estimating derivatives and integrals related to temperature, as well as examining the behavior of the temperature function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss methods for estimating the derivative at a specific point and express uncertainty about their calculations. There are attempts to understand the implications of the temperature data being linear and how this affects the derivative. Questions arise about the appropriateness of using secant lines to approximate tangent slopes.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their results. Some guidance is offered regarding the interpretation of linearity in the data, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the derivative estimation.

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Participants are working with specific data points and are constrained by the requirements of the problem, including the need to explain the meaning of integrals and the behavior of the second derivative.

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| Distance x in cm |   0 |  1 |  5 |  6 |  8 |
-------------------|-----|----|----|----|----|
| Temp t(x) in °C  | 100 | 93 | 70 | 62 | 55 |
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Metal wire is 8 cm. and heated at one end. distance x is how far from the heated end you are. The function ti s decreasing and twice differentiable.
a) estimate t'(7)
b) write an integral expression of T(x) for avg temp of wire. estimate avg temp of wire using trapezoidal sum with 4 subintervals indicated by data
c) Find int up limit 8 lower limit 0. explain the meaning of this in the context of the problem
d) Is that data consistent with the assertion that T''(x)>0 for every x from 0 to 8. explain
 
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Do you have any specific questions regarding the problem?

Are you stuck on one particular question?
 
i don't get the whole thing
 
bump...
 
What have you tried so far?
 
for part a, I tried to get the slope from 6-8, which is the derivative and plug in 7 but i am not sure if that;s correct because it came out to be -24.5
 
This is interesting because I've just plotted your results and found that they are pratically linear :confused:

-Hoot:smile:
 
yeah that's basically what i did to estimate the slope at 7 but -24 just doesn't seem right
 
There's something a miss though, if your relationship is linear, then this will lead to a constant t'(x). Anyway, my value for t'(x) is -5.761. I can't see through this calculus though, with a linear expression.

-Hoot:confused:
 
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Will it work if i try to find the slope of the secant line to get the slope of the tangent line?
 

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