Integral Notation: Are ∫(x^2)dx & ∫dx (x^2) the Same?

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The discussion revolves around the differences and similarities between two types of integral notation: ∫(expression) dx and ∫dx (expression). Participants explore whether these notations convey the same meaning or if there are distinctions between them, touching on aspects of mathematical and physical conventions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion over the two notations and asks if they are equivalent.
  • Another participant states that mathematicians typically use the first notation while some physicists use the second, suggesting they are generally interchangeable.
  • A later reply proposes a clarification that not all physicists use the second notation, emphasizing that it mimics the derivative notation.
  • Another participant provides historical context about the integral sign and its meaning, stating a personal preference for the first notation due to clarity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the usage of the notations. While some agree on their general interchangeability, others highlight distinctions in usage among mathematicians and physicists, indicating ongoing debate.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of each notation and the contexts in which they are used. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical or conceptual nuances that may affect interpretation.

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I'm confused over two different types of integral notation

1) ∫ (expression) dx

and

2) ∫dx (expression)

Are these the same thing?

Example: Do ∫(x^2)dx and ∫dx (x^2) mean the same thing? Or is there a difference?
 
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Mathematicians use (1), physicists use (2). For all intents and purposes they mean the same.
 
Great. Thanks.
 
I'd like to change "physicists use (2)" to "some physicists use (2)" or "physicists occasionally use (2)".

I think the idea behind (2) is that it mimics the d/dx notation for derivatives. When you write ##\frac{d}{dx}ax^2##, the d/dx is like an operator that acts on ##ax^2##. Actually, it acts on the map ##x\mapsto ax^2##, not the real number ##ax^2##, and it's the x in the denominator of d/dx that let's us know that the map is ##x\mapsto x^2## rather than say ##a\mapsto x^2##.

Similarly, ##\int dx\, ax^2## is ##\int dx## acting on ##ax^2##, or to be more precise, on the map ##x\mapsto ax^2##, and now it's the x in dx that tells us that the map is ##x\mapsto ax^2## rather than e.g. ##a\mapsto ax^2##.
 
a little history : the ∫ sign is an elongated S, which stands for sum because its the sum of all values of expression. multiply that by dt, and you get the integral
so both are valid, but personally i always use ∫f(x)dx because it tells you where the expression ends.
edit: its so typical of physicists to do this kind of stuff :P
 

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