Integral of Log det(1-A(x).B(x)) wrt x

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The discussion centers around the integral of the logarithm of the determinant of the expression involving two non-commuting square matrices, A(x) and B(x), as functions of a variable x. Participants explore the possibility of finding a closed form for the integral of Log det(1 - A(x)B(x)) with respect to x, including specific cases where the matrices have known dependencies on x.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the existence of a closed form for the integral of Log det(1 - A(x)B(x)) for non-commuting matrices.
  • Another participant notes that a closed form does not exist for 1x1 matrices.
  • A further clarification introduces a specific case involving a product of four matrices, where two matrices are constant and the others depend on x through an exponential function.
  • There is a mention of a closed form for 1x1 matrices if polylogs are allowed, referencing an external source.
  • One participant expresses interest in generalizing the closed form for non-commuting matrices, suggesting that it may involve the dilogarithm of a matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that closed forms exist for specific cases, such as 1x1 matrices, but there is no consensus on whether a closed form can be generalized for non-commuting matrices. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the integral and the conditions under which closed forms may exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity introduced by non-commuting matrices and the specific dependencies on the variable x, which may affect the possibility of finding a closed form. The mention of polylogs and dilogarithms indicates potential mathematical intricacies that are not fully resolved.

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Hello all :)

I have two square matrices whose elements are functions of a variable x, let's call them A(x) and B(x).
Those two matrices do not commute : A(x).B(x)≠B(x).A(x)
I then define the quantity Log det(1-A(x).B(x)) where 1 is the identity matrix.

I'm interested in a closed form for the integral of the above quantity wrt x i.e.
\int\,Log\,det(1-A(x).B(x))\,dx

Do you think such a closed form exists ?

Thanks in advance :)
 
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A closed form doesn't exist in the case of 1x1 matrices!
 
True. So let me be more specific because, in my case, how my matrices depend on x is known :smile:

In reality I have a product of 4 matrices :
R1.Exp[-k x].R2.Exp[-k x]
Let me explain each terms :
• R1 and R2 do not depend on x but are not symmetric (hence the no commutation in all those matrices products)
• Exp[-k x] is a diagonal matrix whose elements are exp(-k x) with k a column vector.

So with these additional informations, I'm interested in a possible closed form for the quantity

\int\,Log\, det(1-R1.Exp[-k x].R2.Exp[-k x])\, dx

:smile:
 
Indeed there is a closed form for numbers (1x1 matrices) which necessarily commute. I'm wondering if that can be somehow generalized for non commuting matrices quantities.
I know that if a closed form exists, it will indeed involve the dilogarithm of a matrix :biggrin: I'll think of what this is later… One problem at a time :biggrin:
 

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