Integral of this simple function

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function ∫te^(5t)dt, focusing on integration techniques, particularly integration by parts. Participants are exploring various approaches to solve this integral and are questioning the correctness of their methods.

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  • Some participants attempt integration by parts, suggesting different choices for u and dv. There is a discussion about the implications of these choices on the complexity of the integral. Others question the original poster's setup and calculations, indicating potential errors in their approach.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the selection of u and dv based on the ILATE rule, and there is acknowledgment of potential mistakes in notation and setup. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note that there may be missing information or typographical errors in the original posts, which could affect the clarity of the discussion. The reliance on external tools like Wolfram Alpha is also mentioned, indicating a concern about the accuracy of the solutions provided by such tools.

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im trying to find...

∫te^(5t)dt

i did integration by parts..

u=e^5t
dv=tdt

∫te^(5t)dt={e^(5t)}(t)-5∫(t){e^(5t)}dt

collected the integral terms on one side to get..

6∫te^(5t)dt={e^(5t)}(t)

∫te^(5t)dt= {e^(5t)}(t)/6

but wolfram alpha says otherwise. they don't give out the steps freely anymore. please help
 
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Use ILATE for integration by parts:

Inverse trig
Logarithmic
Algebraic
Trig
Exponential

Whichever function is higher on the list gets to be u, and dv is whichever function is lower. You have a t, which is algebraic, and you have an exp(5t), which is exponential. Try that.
 
iScience said:
im trying to find...

∫te^(5t)dt

i did integration by parts..

u=e^5t
dv=tdt

∫te^(5t)dt={e^(5t)}(t)-5∫(t){e^(5t)}dt

collected the integral terms on one side to get..

6∫te^(5t)dt={e^(5t)}(t)

∫te^(5t)dt= {e^(5t)}(t)/6

but wolfram alpha says otherwise. they don't give out the steps freely anymore. please help

With u = e^(5t) and dv = t dt, you will get

∫ t e^(5t) dt = (1/2)t^2 e^(5t) - (5/2) ∫ t^2 e^(5t) dt,

so you have just made it worse! You have the wrong u and dv.
 
Define the function
f(t,x)=\int \mathrm{d} t \exp(t x)=\frac{1}{x} \exp(t x).
Then you have
\partial_x f(t,x)=\int \mathrm{d} t \exp(t x)=-\frac{1}{x^2} \exp(t x)+\frac{t}{x} \exp(t x).
Setting x=5 you find
\int \mathrm{d} t \exp(5t)=\exp(5t) \left [\frac{t}{5}-\frac{1}{25} \right].
 
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vanhees71 said:
Define the function
f(t,x)=\int \mathrm{d} t \exp(t x)=\frac{1}{x} \exp(t x).
Then you have
\partial_x f(t,x)=\int \mathrm{d} t \exp(t x)=-\frac{1}{x^2} \exp(t x)+\frac{t}{x} \exp(t x).
Setting x=5 you find
\int \mathrm{d} t \exp(5t)=\exp(5t) \left [\frac{t}{5}-\frac{1}{25} \right].

There is a bit of faulty notation here. After partially differentiating f with respect to t, you should have an additional t factor inside the integral, which is what I think you wanted, as your solution seems to be using that. I believe you have forgot to type it..?
 
Ackbeet said:
Inverse trig
Logarithmic
Algebraic
Trig
Exponential

Whichever function is higher on the list gets to be u, and dv is whichever function is lower..

I never memorised this list - I just look at what could possibly be u and dv and then decide what would ultimately simplify the integral. As Ray said, by choosing dv = t dt, all you do is introduce greater powers of t whereas choosing u = t, when you differentiate it, you simply get 1 and hence is more likely to simply the integral. I think (i may be wrong) this is how that ILATE list was created - after some experience, it was put together as an easy way to decide on u and dv which would lead to a simpler integral.
 
Millennial said:
There is a bit of faulty notation here. After partially differentiating f with respect to t, you should have an additional t factor inside the integral, which is what I think you wanted, as your solution seems to be using that. I believe you have forgot to type it..?

Sure, that's a typo :-(. Correctly it should read
\partial_x f(t,x)=\int \mathrm{d} t \; t \exp(t x)=\ldots
 

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