Integral Problem Homework: Attempting Difficult Term

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The discussion revolves around integrating a complex expression involving trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the terms related to \(\theta^2\), \(2\theta\sin(2\theta)\), and \(\sin^2(2\theta)\). Participants are exploring various integration techniques and identities to tackle the problem.

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  • Participants discuss integration attempts and the challenges faced with specific terms. There are hints regarding the use of trigonometric identities and substitution methods. Some participants express uncertainty about their results and seek clarification on specific steps.

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Several participants have provided hints and guidance on using trigonometric identities and integration techniques. There is an acknowledgment of correct components in the integration process, but some uncertainty remains regarding the overall correctness of the results. The discussion has shifted to verifying calculations and addressing discrepancies between manual and calculator results.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of assistance provided. There is also mention of potential errors in calculator input affecting the results.

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Homework Statement



trying to integrate this...the second term is the difficult one here.

\theta^2 + 2\theta\sin2\theta + sin^2(2\theta)





The Attempt at a Solution




I attempted the problem and ended up with this but it doesn't seem right

\frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2sin2\theta + \frac{1 - cos4\theta}{2}
 
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Not quite. Although the two first integrals are correct. Hint: Write u=2theta and use what you know about trigonometric identities.
 
Wingeer said:
Not quite. Although the two first integrals are correct. Hint: Write u=2theta and use what you know about trigonometric identities.

i know sin2\theta trig identity is 2sin\theta\cos\theta

u = 2\theta
du = 2d\theta

dv = sin2\theta dv = 2sin\theta\cos\theta


this is where i get stuck
 
Know that:
\sin^2(x) = \frac{1-\cos(2x)}{2}.
 
Well, what's the derivative of \cos 2\theta equal to ? Then use part integration.
 
Wingeer said:
Know that:
\sin^2(x) = \frac{1-\cos(2x)}{2}.

\theta^2 + 2\theta\sin2\theta + sin^2(2\theta)

after integrating...

\frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2sin2\theta + \frac{1}{2}\theta - \frac{1}{8}sin4\theta

i forgot to integrate the last part...but this still doesn't seem correct
 
But it is correct. Up to a constant, of course.
 
Wingeer said:
But it is correct. Up to a constant, of course.

I'm attempting to solve this area problem


1/2\int_{0}^{\pi }(\theta + sin2\theta)^2 d\theta}


The area found by my calculator comes out to be 4.93...but by hand I get 4.38


The original polar equation: r = \theta + sin(2\theta) from 0 to pi.

I think it may by the use of my input into the calculator and not the work done by hand...i'll doublecheck.
 
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<br /> \frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2\sin2\theta + \frac{1}{2}\theta - \frac{1}{8}\sin4\theta<br />

Add a constant & it looks good to me. Check it by taking the derivative.
 
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SammyS said:
<br /> \frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2\sin2\theta + \frac{1}{2}\theta - \frac{1}{8}\sin4\theta<br />

Add a constant & it looks good to me. Check it by taking the derivative.

yep...i just concluded guys that I was inputting the equation wrong into my calculator...4.38 is the right answer and i was doing it right by hand all along...what a relief.

I have one more question though...

how do I find the angle at which the graph is at x = -2 ?
 

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