Integral proof and then use the proof to solve a 2nd integral

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The discussion focuses on solving a second integral using u-substitution and algebraic manipulation. The initial integral is expressed as $$I = \int_0^b \frac{f(b-u)}{f(b-u)+f(u)}du$$, leading to the conclusion that $$I = b - I$$. This relationship indicates that the integral can be simplified significantly, ultimately demonstrating that $$I = \frac{b}{2}$$. Participants emphasize the importance of correcting substitution errors and understanding the integration limits.

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I'm not sure how to go about it tbh :/
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Do you have any ideas yourself?
 
PeroK said:
Do you have any ideas yourself?
Well in the the bottom half I would assume you would have to use u-subsitution but I don't believe the question is asking me to solve the bottom until I prove the top is = b/2?
 
Mustard said:
Well in the the bottom half I would assume you would have to use u-subsitution but I don't believe the question is asking me to solve the bottom until I prove the top is = b/2?
Have you tried the obvious substitution?
 
PeroK said:
Have you tried the obvious substitution?
Do you mean substituting b for x?
 
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Do you mean substituting b for x?
I thought the substitution ##u = b - x## was the first thing you should consider. Especially if you are stuck.
 
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PeroK said:
I thought the substitution ##u = b - x## was the first thing you should consider. Especially if you are stuck.
Oh , I'm stuck again. Am I doing it right si far ? :/ I'm sorry it's just confusing to me.
 

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Mustard said:
Oh , I'm stuck again. Am I doing it right si far ? :/ I'm sorry it's just confusing to me.
Yes. You need to tidy that up and, strictly speaking, you are missing an equals sign.
 
Mustard said:
Oh , I'm stuck again. Am I doing it right si far ? :/ I'm sorry it's just confusing to me.
You have a few issues to correct.
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If ##u=b-x##, then ##x=b-u## not ##u-b##.

The denominator is a sum, ##f(x)+f(b-x)##, not a difference.

The integration limits for ##u## are different than for ##x##.

After making these corrections, there will be more work to do to complete your task.
 
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After you do the necessary corrections outlined in post #9 , you ll have the integral $$\int_b^0-\frac{f(b-u)}{f(b-u)+f(u)}du$$, which is the same as $$\int_0^b \frac{f(b-u)}{f(b-u)+f(u)}du$$. Now you ll have to do a little algebraic trick (adding and subtracting from the numerator the same quantity f(u) )and then by algebraic simplifications you ll get a significant result, namely that the initial integral (the integral involving x, let's call it I) is such that $$I=b-I$$. And this is pretty much the end of it, solving the last equation for I.
 
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Looks to me an exercise in My First Math Book, Chapter 1, Symbols and Functions.

Ex 15: If φ##(f,b) =## ψ##(b)## what is φ##(f, 3)##?

if you can calculate ψ(3) what can you say about φ##(f,3) ## ?
 

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