Integrals of differentialble functions on a bounded interval

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of integrals involving differentiable functions on a bounded interval, specifically focusing on the relationships between integrals of products of functions and their derivatives. Participants explore various methods for calculating these integrals and the conditions under which they can be evaluated.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to calculate the integral \(\int^{a_2}_{a_1}f_1(x)f'_{2}(x)dx\) given that it equals \(b_2\), expressing uncertainty about where to begin.
  • Another participant suggests that finding \(b_2\) depends on the specific forms of \(f_1\) and \(f_2\), noting that some integrals may not have analytic solutions and may require numerical methods for evaluation.
  • Several participants propose that the integral \(\int_{a_1}^{a_2}{f_1^\prime(x)f_2(x)dx}\) can be computed using integration by parts, providing a formula for its evaluation.
  • A later reply questions whether \(c_{2}\) can be expressed in terms of \(c_{1}\) under the given conditions, indicating a potential relationship between the two integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for evaluating the integrals, with some advocating for integration by parts while others emphasize the dependence on the specific functions involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between \(c_{1}\) and \(c_{2}\).

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of finding analytic solutions for certain integrals and the need for numerical methods in specific cases. There is also an emphasis on the importance of the functions' forms in determining the evaluation methods.

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Given two functions [itex]f_{1}(x)[/itex] and [itex]f_{2}(x)[/itex] that are differentiable on [itex][a_{1},a_{2}][/itex] and [itex]\int^{a_2}_{a_1}f_1(x)f'_{2}(x)dx=b_2[/itex], how would one calculate [itex]\int^{a_2}_{a_1}f_1(x)f'_{2}(x)dx[/itex]?

This is not a homework problem. I saw it on the internet and realized that I did not know where to begin solving it.
 
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I am confused. Are you asking how to find [itex]b_2[/itex]? If so, that would depend strongly on what [itex]f_1[/itex] and [itex]f_2[/itex] are. There are many different ways to evaluate various integrals, and, in fact, if we take [itex]f_x(x)= 1[/itex], for all x, and [itex]f_2(x)= e^{-x^2}[/itex], both differentiable functions, then it is easy to show that
[tex]\int_{a_1}^{a_2}f_1(x)f_2(x)dx= \int_{a_1}^{a_2}e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]
exists but there is no analytic method of finding the integral. The best you could do is use some numeric method, such as Simpson's rule, to find the value.
 
Are you perhaps asking how to calculate [tex]\int_{a_1}^{a_2}{f_1^\prime(x)f_2(x)dx}[/tex]?? This can be easily done by "integration by parts".

The answer is [tex]\int_{a_1}^{a_2}{f_1^\prime(x)f_2(x)dx}=f_1(a_2)f_2(a_2)-f_1(a_1)f_1(a_2)-b_2[/tex].
 
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micromass said:
Are you perhaps asking how to calculate [itex]\int_{a_1}^{a_2}{f_1^\prime(x)f_2(x)dx}[/itex]?? This can be easily done by "integration by parts".

The answer is [itex]\int_{a_1}^{a_2}{f_1^\prime(x)f_2(x)dx}=f_1(a_2)f_2(a_2)-f_1(a_1)f_1(a_2)-b_2[/itex].

I think that's correct.

My question was:

Given two functions [itex]f_{1}(x)[/itex] and [itex]f_{2}(x)[/itex] differentiable on a closed interval [itex][a_{1},a_{2}][/itex], two constants [itex]c_{1}[/itex] and [itex]c_{2}[/itex], and the facts that [itex]\int_{a_{1}}^{a_{2}}f_{1}f_{2}^{\prime}dx=c_{1}[/itex] and [itex]\int_{a_{1}}^{a_{2}}f_{1}^{\prime}f_{2}dx=c_{2}[/itex], can [itex]c_{2}[/itex] be expressed in terms of [itex]c_{1}[/itex]?
 

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