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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression f du/(Gu^2-g), with participants exploring various approaches and interpretations related to integration techniques and constants involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants question whether f, g, and G are constants and suggest methods such as trigonometric substitution or partial fractions depending on the signs involved. Others provide specific forms of the integral and discuss potential transformations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives and approaches without reaching a consensus. Some have provided specific forms of the integral, while others are clarifying the nature of the constants involved.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and values of the constants f, g, and G, which may affect the integration process. Additionally, some participants express a lack of familiarity with integration techniques, which may influence their contributions.

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Homework Statement


How to integrate

f du/(Gu^2-g)

?


Homework Equations


not sure

hmmm thre's the one du/(a^2+b^2)=...


The Attempt at a Solution


But I got a complex number.

This is not HW. hmm just can't solve a physics problem without it
Ps. I never learn integration
 
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f, g and G constants? If so either a trig substitution or partial fractions. Depends on signs. Can you be more specific?
 
in case g,f and G are constants it can be slvd as
f/G[1/u^2-{(g/G)^1/2}^2] du

F/G ln[{u-(g/G)^1/2}/u+(g/G)^1/2] +C
 
[tex]t=\int_{v_{o}}^{v_{f}} \frac{m}{\frac{1}{2}pC_{d}Av^2-mg}dv[/tex]
 
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[tex]t=\int_{v_{o}}^{v_{f}} \frac{m}{\frac{1}{2}pC_{d}Av^2-mg}dv[\tex]<br /> <br /> where p C A m g are constants[/tex]
 
Bright Wang said:
[tex]t=\int_{v_{o}}^{v_{f}} \frac{m}{\frac{1}{2}pC_{d}Av^2-mg}dv[\tex]<br /> <br /> where p C A m g are constants[/tex]
[tex] For some reason your tex stuff isn't rendering.[/tex]
 
Bright Wang said:
[tex]t=\int_{v_{o}}^{v_{f}} \frac{m}{\frac{1}{2}pC_{d}Av^2-mg}dv[/tex]

Bright Wang said:
[tex]t=\int_{v_{o}}^{v_{f}} \frac{m}{\frac{1}{2}pC_{d}Av^2-mg}dv[/tex]

where p C A m g are constants

Use this slash instead of the other one to closed tex tags: /tex
 
Defennder said:
Use this slash instead of the other one to closed tex tags: /tex

[tex]t=\int_{v_{o}}^{v_{f}} \frac{m}{\frac{1}{2}pC_{d}Av^2-mg}dv[/tex]


ok thanks.
 
Factor out all of the stuff that multiplies v^2 in the denominator as well as m in the numerator. Your integral will look like this:
[tex]K_1 \int \frac{dv}{v^2 - K_2}[/tex]
K_1 = 2m/(p*C_d*A) and K_2 = mg/(.5p*C_d*A)

Now, you can do either of two things:
1. factor the denominator and then use partial fraction decomposition to get you antiderivative.
2. look up the resulting integral in, say, the CRC Math Tables.
 
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[tex]Let \ \ \frac{1}{2}pCA=G[/tex]
[tex]=m\int_{vo}^{vf}\frac{1}{Gv^2-mg}dv[/tex]
[tex]= m \int_{vo}^{vf}(\frac{\frac{1}{2\sprt{mg}}}{\sqrt{G}v-\sqrt{mg}}+\frac{\frac{-1}{2\sprt{mg}}}{\sqrt{G}v+\sqrt{mg}} dv)[/tex]
[tex]= \frac {m}{\sqrt{mgG}} ln\ ( \ {|} \ \frac{\sqrt{G}v-\sqrt{mg}}{\sqrt{G}v+\sqrt{mg} \ {|} \ } {)} |_{vo}^{vf}[/tex]
 
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[tex]t=\int{v}^{v_{f}} {-} \frac{{1}{}pC_{d}-mg}dv[/tex]
 
  • #12
[tex]${\displaystyle Kv_^2 = g - e^-^2^K^y \times (g-Kv_{o}^2)}$[/tex]
 

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