Integrate ## \int \frac{zdz \cdot \hat z}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)^3}}##

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The discussion revolves around the integration of vector-valued functions involving cylindrical coordinates, specifically focusing on the integrals of the form ## \int \frac{zdz \cdot \hat z}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)^3}}## and ## \int \frac{pdz \cdot \hat p}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)^3}}##. Participants are examining the roles of unit vectors and the nature of the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the treatment of unit vectors in the integrals and question whether the variables z and p should be considered as vectors. There is also uncertainty about the representation of the differential element dz and its relation to vector notation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the vector nature of the variables and the correct representation of the integrals. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of unit vectors and the need for clarity in notation, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of using cylindrical coordinates, which may impose specific considerations on the integration process. Participants are also grappling with the implications of treating z and p as vectors versus scalars.

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F = GMm/r^2
Hi,

I'm trying to integrate ## \int \frac{zdz \cdot \hat z}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)^3}}## and ## \int \frac{pdz \cdot \hat p}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)^3}}##

I get ## \frac{\hat z}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)}}## and ## \frac{2z \cdot \hat p}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)}}##

But the correct answer should be ## \frac{z \hat z}{(\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)}}## and ## \frac{2z \cdot \hat p}{(p\sqrt{p^2 + z¸^2)}}##

I'm not sure how to deal with ##\hat z## and ##\hat p##
 
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Apart from the unit vectors, your integrals do not seem to have any vector terms. That would make the unit vectors constants which can be moved outside the integral.
It would also mean the two official answers you quote only differ by a constant factor, but the given integrals do not fit that.
Should some of the occurrences of z and p be vectors?
 
Sorry, yes z and p are vectors using cylindrical coordinates.
 
EpselonZero said:
Sorry, yes z and p are vectors using cylindrical coordinates.
But changing all z, p, dz to vectors doesn’t work either.
Is it that ##dz\hat z## is the same as ##\vec{dz}##?
If not, please post a version which clarifies it.
 
Sorry, I'm not sure to understand. dz is for the derivative of z.
 
EpselonZero said:
Sorry, I'm not sure to understand. dz is for the derivative of z.
No, it would represent an elemental change in z, but is that regarding z as a vector or as a scalar? An elemental change in ##\vec z## is ##\vec{dz}##. If ##\vec z## always points in the same direction then you can write that direction as ##\hat z## and ##\vec{dz}## as ##\hat z.dz##, where dz is a scalar.
To make things clear, please write out your integrals showing vectors as appropriate.
 

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