Integrating for area of intersection

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The discussion revolves around understanding the process of finding the area of intersection between two curves, specifically through the integration of their respective functions. Participants are exploring the terminology and mathematical principles involved in calculating the area bounded by these functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the terminology used in describing the area of intersection and whether subtracting the integrals of the two functions is equivalent to integrating the difference of the functions. There is also a focus on the conditions under which the curves intersect and how that affects the integration process.

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Some participants have provided insights into the properties of definite integrals and how they relate to the area calculation. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts, with no explicit consensus reached on the terminology or the approach to the problem.

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Participants are considering the implications of the curves intersecting at two points and the relevance of linearity properties of integrals in this context. There is an acknowledgment of varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts being discussed.

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How does it work that you can subtract y2 from y1 and integrate the product within defined limits for the area of their intersection (within those limits)?
Maybe that's not the right terminology - you arrive at the area for the region bounded by both functions.

Is it just the same in practice as subtracting the integral of y2 from the integral of y1?
 
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I'm not 100% what you're asking, but it sounds to me like you are trying to find the area bound by the intersection of two curves. One thing you may have to consider is if they only intersect at two points within those limits. If they only intersect at two points within your limits, you can simply just do the integral of y2 minus the integral of y1. With y2 being the upper function on the graph.
 
462chevelle said:
I'm not 100% what you're asking, but it sounds to me like you are trying to find the area bound by the intersection of two curves. One thing you may have to consider is if they only intersect at two points within those limits. If they only intersect at two points within your limits, you can simply just do the integral of y2 minus the integral of y1. With y2 being the upper function on the graph.

How's that?

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Rumplestiltskin said:
How does it work that you can subtract y2 from y1 and integrate the product within defined limits for the area of their intersection (within those limits)?
Maybe that's not the right terminology - you arrive at the area for the region bounded by both functions.

Is it just the same in practice as subtracting the integral of y2 from the integral of y1?
Let's call the line f(x) and the curve g(x). Assuming that the line and curve intersect at a and b, the area of the region in blue is ##\int_a^b (f(x) - g(x)) dx##. This is exactly the same as ##\int_a^b f(x) dx - \int_a^b g(x)dx##, due to the linearity properties of the definite integral.

The product that you refer to is the area of the typical area element, ##\Delta A = (f(x) - g(x)\Delta x##. When you integrate, you are essentially summing all of these incremental area elements to get the total area.
Rumplestiltskin said:
How's that?

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Mark44 said:
Let's call the line f(x) and the curve g(x). Assuming that the line and curve intersect at a and b, the area of the region in blue is ##\int_a^b (f(x) - g(x)) dx##. This is exactly the same as ##\int_a^b f(x) dx - \int_a^b g(x)dx##, due to the linearity properties of the definite integral.

Due to the linearity properties of the definite integral?
 
Rumplestiltskin said:
Due to the linearity properties of the definite integral?
##\int_a^b (f(x) + g(x))~dx = \int_a^b f(x)~dx + \int_a^b g(x)~dx##
and
##\int_a^b k \cdot f(x)~dx = k\int_a^b f(x)~dx## where k is any constant
The same properties hokl for indefinite integrals, as well.
 
Mark44 said:
##\int_a^b (f(x) + g(x))~dx = \int_a^b f(x)~dx + \int_a^b g(x)~dx##
and
##\int_a^b k \cdot f(x)~dx = k\int_a^b f(x)~dx## where k is any constant
The same properties hokl for indefinite integrals, as well.

LOL. I take it I'm punching well above my weight again.
 
I think you aren't as confused as you think. He us just showing properties of the integral in a general sense. That way of writing might be intimidating if you don't have any formal knowledge on the subject.
 

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