Integrating the Area Under a Shaded Region Using Substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the area under the curve defined by the function y = 1/(1-x^2) over the interval [-1, 1]. Participants explore various methods for solving the integral, particularly focusing on substitution techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant sets up the integral ∫ dx/(1-x^2) over the interval [-1, 1] but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with substitution.
  • Another participant suggests starting with trigonometric substitution as a hint for solving the integral.
  • A different approach is proposed using partial fractions, indicating that both trigonometric substitution and partial fractions could be viable methods.
  • A participant acknowledges confusion and decides to withdraw their calculations temporarily, indicating a need for clarity before continuing.
  • One participant attempts a substitution u = 1 - x^2 but incorrectly applies the change in dx, leading to an undefined result involving ln(0).
  • A later reply corrects the previous participant's substitution error, noting the need to adjust the integration range and the expression for dx, while also suggesting that the integral remains complex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method to solve the integral, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution. There is acknowledgment of errors and corrections, but no final agreement on the solution exists.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of substitution and the handling of the integral's limits. The discussion highlights the complexity of the integral and the need for careful manipulation of expressions.

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the problem asks for the area under the shaded region of the line y = 1/(1-x^2) on the interval [-1,1].

so far I've set up the integral showing
\int [tex]dx/(1-x^2)[\tex]<br /> on the interval [-1,1]<br /> <br /> <br /> i'm pretty sure you have to use substitution to solve it, but i can't seem to figure it out<br /> please show/describe each step to solve it.[/tex]
 
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I'll give you a hint. You will start with trig substitution.
 
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{1-x^2}=\int \frac{dx}{(1+x)(1-x)}[/tex]

and do partial fractions, or you can do the trig substitution.
 
Well, to not get anyone confused, I'm taking out my calculations, cus its like 5 o clock in the morning and i don't quite remember all the steps i was doing, so i might re attack this later , when I'm awake.
 
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Degoncire said:
-1∫1 [ 1 / (1 - x^2) * dx ]

u = (1 - x^2)
dx = -2x

-1∫1 [ 1/u * dx ] = -1|1 [ ln(u) * dx ]

-1|1 [ -2x * ln(1 - x^2) ]

x=-1 [ 2ln(0) ]
x=1 [ -2ln(0) ]

ln(0) = infinity
[ 2ln(0) - -2ln(0) ] = +undefined or +infinity

(my knowledge does not go as far as to know what the end result is, i just know it's a positive end result.)

That is incorrect. You made the substitution [itex]u = 1 - x^2[/itex] in the integrand, but failed to make the change [itex]dx \rightarrow -\frac{du}{2x}[/itex] (and then substituting in the expression for x in terms of u, which is multivalued on [-1,1], so we'd want to reduce the integration range to [0,1] by noting the integrand is even).

Hence, the correct integral to evaluate, using that subsitution, is

[tex]2\int_1^0 du~\frac{1}{u\sqrt{1-u}}[/tex]

which really isn't much better.
 
Darnit, your right, i was typing that in there after figuring it out, and i knew i did something wrong, but i couldn't figure it out. Thanks a lot.
 

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