Integrating to get r^2 = l^2 + a^2

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a differential equation related to the relationship between variables \( r \), \( l \), and \( a \) as presented in a physics text. Participants seek clarification on the integration process that leads to the equation \( r^2 = l^2 + a^2 \) and the concept of absorbing an integration constant.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation \( (dr/dl)^2 + a^2 / r^2 = 1 \) and asks for an explanation on how to manipulate it to derive \( r^2 = l^2 + a^2 \).
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the differential equation as \( dr/dl = \pm \sqrt{1 - \frac{a^2}{r^2}} = \pm \frac{\sqrt{r^2 - a^2}}{|r|} \), indicating that this form is separable and can be integrated under certain assumptions.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the emergence of \( l^2 \) from the integration process and seeks further clarification.
  • Another participant proposes that if \( dr/dl > 0 \) and \( r > 0 \), the differential equation can be simplified to \( dr/dl = \frac{\sqrt{r^2 - a^2}}{r} \) and suggests separating variables for integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are exploring the integration process and the implications of assumptions made during the derivation. There is no consensus on the clarity of the integration steps or the emergence of \( l^2 \), indicating ongoing uncertainty and discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with assumptions about the positivity of \( r \) and \( dr/dl \), which may affect the integration process. The discussion does not resolve how the integration constant is absorbed into \( l \) or the specific steps leading to the final equation.

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I'm reading a physics book( "Einstein's gravity in a nutshell" Zee) and at page 126 the author says:

(dr/dl)^2 + a^2 / r^2 = 1

gives r^2 = l^2 + a^2

where we absorbed an integration constant into l by setting l=0 when r=a.

Can someone explain what's going on here? How do I have to "massage" the first equation to make an integration that gives the second equation? What does Zee mean with absorbing an integration constant?

Thanks for any respons!
 
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Lapidus said:
I'm reading a physics book( "Einstein's gravity in a nutshell" Zee) and at page 126 the author says:

(dr/dl)^2 + a^2 / r^2 = 1

gives r^2 = l^2 + a^2

where we absorbed an integration constant into l by setting l=0 when r=a.

Can someone explain what's going on here? How do I have to "massage" the first equation to make an integration that gives the second equation? What does Zee mean with absorbing an integration constant?

Thanks for any respons!
Rewrite the DE as dr/dl = ##\pm \sqrt{1 - \frac{a^2}{r^2}} = \pm \frac{\sqrt{r^2 - a^2}}{|r|}##
This equation is separable, with a fairly easy integration. The work is simpler if you can assume that r > 0 and dr/dl > 0.
 
Mark44 said:
Rewrite the DE as dr/dl = ##\pm \sqrt{1 - \frac{a^2}{r^2}} = \pm \frac{\sqrt{r^2 - a^2}}{|r|}##
This equation is separable, with a fairly easy integration. The work is simpler if you can assume that r > 0 and dr/dl > 0.

Thanks, Mark. But I am afraid, I do not follow. For example, how does the l^2 emerge?
 
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If it's reasonable to assume that dr/dl > 0 and r > 0, we can write the DE as ##dr/dl = \frac{\sqrt{r^2 - a^2}}{r}##.

Separating this, we get ##\frac{r dr}{\sqrt{r^2 - a^2}} = dl##.

Now integrate both sides.
 
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