Integration after implicit differentiation

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the expression involving implicit differentiation, specifically the integral of y + x(dy/dx). Participants are exploring the relationship between integration and implicit differentiation in the context of finding a function F(x,y).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the expression and the implications of treating y as a constant during the integration process. There are attempts to clarify the notation and the steps involved in the integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the interpretation of the integral and the treatment of variables. Some guidance has been provided regarding the integration process, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach being discussed.

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There is a mention of the need for prior knowledge of implicit differentiation, which may affect participants' understanding of the problem. Additionally, there are differing interpretations of how the integral sign applies to the terms involved.

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Homework Statement



What is the integral of:
[tex]y + x \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that it is xy, after implicit differentiation.
However, I cannot get it without prior knowledge of implicit differentiation.
 
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soopo said:

Homework Statement



What is the integral of:
[tex]y + x \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that it is xy, after implicit differentiation.
However, I cannot get it without prior knowledge of implicit differentiation.
Note that you would write the integral of that function as
[tex]\int (y+ x\frac{dy}{dx})dx= \int ydx+ xdy[/tex]
That means you are looking for a function F(x,y) so that [itex]dF= F_x dx+ F_y dy= ydx+ xdy[/itex]. If [itex]F_x= y[/itex] then integrating with respect to x, while keeping y constant, F(x,y)= xy+ g(y) where, because we are treating y as a constant, the "constant of integration" may depend on y: g(y). From that, [itex]F_y= x+ g'(y)= x[/itex] which tells us that g'(y)= 0. That means that g really is a constant: g= C so F(x,y)= xy+ C for any constant C.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Note that you would write the integral of that function as
[tex]\int (y+ x\frac{dy}{dx})dx= \int ydx+ xdy[/tex]


Do you mean this?
[tex]\int (y+ x\frac{dy}{dx})dx= \int ydx+ \int xdy[/tex]
 
Isn't that what he wrote?
 
NoMoreExams said:
Isn't that what he wrote?
I have had an idea that the effect of integral sign ends at the first dx or dy sign. Perhaps, this is not true.
 
Thank you, Hallsofivy!
 

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