Integration and Partial Differentiation Problem

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The discussion revolves around integration and partial differentiation, specifically focusing on an integral involving a rational function and the equality of partial derivatives from two functions, M and N, related to a differential equation.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to integrate a rational function and seeks hints for integration techniques, particularly through partial fractions. They also inquire about the equality of partial derivatives derived from two functions.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the partial derivatives and suggest verifying the original functions involved in the differentiation.
  • Others suggest checking specific values for x and y to explore the equality of the partial derivatives.
  • There is mention of potential miscommunication regarding the definitions of M and N.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of partial derivatives, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's derivatives or the methods to achieve equality between them.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of M and N, as well as the correctness of the partial derivatives provided by the original poster. The discussion also hints at potential constraints related to the functions' forms and the methods used for differentiation.

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Homework Statement


(A)
[itex]\int{\frac{(v^2+2v+4)dv}{v^3+v^2+2v+4}}[/itex]

(B)
[itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=y^2+x^2(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

Homework Equations


(A) How can I integrate this?

(B)After getting the partial derivatives, are they equal?

The Attempt at a Solution


(A)This is actually I stopped since I cannot integrate it. I tried factoring the denominator so I can use integration by partial fractions. Unfortunately, I cannot. Any hint in integrating it?

(B)
[itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=\frac{2x}{1-xy}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=\frac{2x+2x^2y-2x^3y^2}{(1-xy)^2}[/itex]

Can I still factor the second equation so I can get the same answer like the [itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}[/itex]?
 
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Mastur said:
[itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=y^2+x^2(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]


(B)After getting the partial derivatives, are they equal?

Do they look equal if you try, for example, x = 0 and y = 0 in both?
 
LCKurtz said:
Do they look equal if you try, for example, x = 0 and y = 0 in both?
Yes, they will be equal after differentiating.

But that does not work all the time. I've tried checking my other answers in other problem, tried substituting x & y by 0, but not all are equal, but the equation is still exact after differentiating.
 
We are obviously mis-communicating. Please state the original problem you are working on that involves the M and N in part B of your question. Presumably there is a differential equation involved.

Also you have said

[itex] \frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]
in your question and

[itex] \frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=\frac{2x}{1-xy}[/itex]

in your solution. They can't both be My
 
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Sorry for the confusion.

The equation is:

[itex]M=(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

[itex]N=y^2+x^2(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

And I got this function after differentiating.

[itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=\frac{2x}{1-xy}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=\frac{2x+2x^2y-2x^3y^2}{(1-xy)^2}[/itex]

My actual question is, is there any way to make the [itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}} = \frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}[/itex]??
 
Mastur said:
Sorry for the confusion.

The equation is:

[itex]M=(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

[itex]N=y^2+x^2(1-xy)^{-2}[/itex]

And I got this function after differentiating.

[itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=\frac{2x}{1-xy}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=\frac{2x+2x^2y-2x^3y^2}{(1-xy)^2}[/itex]

My actual question is, is there any way to make the [itex]\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}} = \frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}[/itex]??

Yes, there is, but you need to calculate them correctly. Neither of your partials is correct. Given that both functions have a quantity to the -2 power, you would expect a denominator with exponent of 3 in your simplified answers. Perhaps if you write both M and N as quotients instead of using negative exponents and use the quotient rule, you might have better luck calculating the partials. Just guessing here, since you didn't show your work.
 

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