Integration by Parts Contradiction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a perceived contradiction in the application of integration by parts to the integral of 1/x. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the nature of constants in indefinite integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario where integrating 1/x by parts leads to the equation 1 = 0, questioning the validity of the approach.
  • Another participant suggests that the apparent contradiction arises from misunderstanding the nature of indefinite integrals, proposing that the difference between two integrals should equal a constant (C), not zero.
  • A further participant speculates whether a constant other than 1 could emerge from the integration by parts process.
  • One participant elaborates on the iterative nature of integration by parts, suggesting that it leads to an infinite series of 1's, reinforcing the idea that the original equation does not yield a contradiction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the results from integration by parts, with no consensus reached on whether the original claim constitutes a contradiction.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of indefinite integrals and the role of constants, with some assumptions about the nature of integration by parts remaining unexamined.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in calculus, particularly those exploring integration techniques and the nuances of indefinite integrals.

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Ok guys, this is my first post. Please go easy...:redface:

This question is from Morris Kline's Calculus: An Intuitive and Physical Approach and unfortunately there aren't solutions for all questions (really annoying).

I'm not even sure if this counts as a contradiction but anyway:

Let us evaluate int.(1/x)dx by parts. If we let u=1/x and dv=1dx, we obtain int.(dx/x)=1 + int.(dx/x). Then 1=0. What is wrong?

I would really appreciate a simple explanation from any of you experienced brains out there! Thanks.
 
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Here's what I think. Let:
g(x) := \int f(x)dx \quad \mbox{and} \quad h(x):= \int f(x)dx. Then, you do not have g(x) - h(x) = 0, you will have g(x) - h(x) = C, where C is some constant.
So here's the same, you can say that:
\int \frac{dx}{x} - \int \frac{dx}{x} = C, where C is some constant.
So it's not a contradiction...
Viet Dao,
 
I get you Viet Dao... I don't think I would not have thought that way at all on my own... not tonight anyway. Thanks.

Here's a thought I just had:
Could int.(dx/x) = C + int.(dx/x) , where C is some constant other than 1, be eventuated from Int. by Parts?
 
You can continue integrating by parts, something like:
\int \frac{dx}{x} = 1 + \int \frac{dx}{x} = 1 + \left( 1 + \int \frac{dx}{x} \right) = 1 + 1 + .. + 1 + \left( 1 + \int \frac{dx}{x} \right).
So you'll have:
\Leftrightarrow \int \frac{dx}{x} - \int \frac{dx}{x} = 1 + 1 + 1 + ... + 1.
Viet Dao,
 
Gotcha, excellent explanation.
 

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