MHB Integration by Parts: Solving \(\int ln(3x+1)dx\) and \(\int (ln(x))^{2}dx\)

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The discussion focuses on solving the integrals \(\int ln(3x+1)dx\) and \(\int (ln(x))^{2}dx\) using integration by parts. For the first integral, the user correctly identifies \(u=ln(3x+1)\) and \(v'=1\), leading to the expression \(x\cdot ln(3x+1)-\int \frac{3x}{3x+1}dx\), with suggestions for substitution to simplify the integral. The second integral requires using parts as well, with a recommendation to set \(u=(\ln x)^2\) and \(dv=dx\). Overall, the conversation provides guidance on handling logarithmic integrals through integration by parts and substitution techniques.
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Hello

I am working on this integral.

\[\int ln(3x+1)dx\]

I choose u=ln(3x+1) and v'=1. It got me to:

\[x\cdot ln(3x+1)-\int \frac{3x}{3x+1}dx\]

What should I do from here ? Some substitution ? The x up there bothers me...no easier way ? Thank!

I also need to solve:

\[\int (ln(x))^{2}dx\]

any hints ?

P.S must use parts on this one
 
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Yankel said:
Hello

I am working on this integral.

\[\int ln(3x+1)dx\]

I choose u=ln(3x+1) and v'=1. It got me to:

\[x\cdot ln(3x+1)-\int \frac{3x}{3x+1}dx\]

What should I do from here ? Some substitution ? The x up there bothers me...no easier way ? Thank!

Note that
\[\int\frac{3x}{3x+1}\,dx = \int\frac{3x+1-1}{3x+1}\,dx = \int\frac{3x+1}{3x+1} - \frac{1}{3x+1}\,dx = \int 1-\frac{1}{3x+1}\,dx\]

I'd assume you can take things from here?
I also need to solve:

\[\int (ln(x))^{2}dx\]

any hints ?

P.S must use parts on this one

You are correct, parts is necessary for this one. In this case, see how things go when you let $u=(\ln x)^2$ and $\,dv=\,dx$.

I hope this helps!
 
$$\int\frac{3x}{3x+1}dx=\int1-\frac{1}{3x+1}dx$$
$$\int\frac{1}{x}dx=\text{log}x+c$$
Hope that helps.:)
p.s:Sorry,I didn't see chrisL replying.(Emo)
 
Yankel said:
Hello

I am working on this integral.

\[\int ln(3x+1)dx\]

I choose u=ln(3x+1) and v'=1. It got me to:

\[x\cdot ln(3x+1)-\int \frac{3x}{3x+1}dx\]

What should I do from here ? Some substitution ? The x up there bothers me...no easier way ? Thank!

I also need to solve:

\[\int (ln(x))^{2}dx\]

any hints ?

P.S must use parts on this one

May be that the substitution $u = 1 + 3x$ that leads to the indefinite integral... $\displaystyle 3\ \int \ln u\ du\ (1)$ ... is better. The (1) and the indefinite integral... $\displaystyle \int \ln^{2} x\ dx\ (2)$ ... can be found with the general formula described in... http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f49/integrals-natural-logarithm-5286/#post24093Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
mathworker said:
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$$\int\frac{1}{x}dx=\text{log}x+c$$

No, \displaystyle \begin{align*} {\frac{1}{x}\,dx} = \log{|x|} + C \end{align*}.
 
There are probably loads of proofs of this online, but I do not want to cheat. Here is my attempt: Convexity says that $$f(\lambda a + (1-\lambda)b) \leq \lambda f(a) + (1-\lambda) f(b)$$ $$f(b + \lambda(a-b)) \leq f(b) + \lambda (f(a) - f(b))$$ We know from the intermediate value theorem that there exists a ##c \in (b,a)## such that $$\frac{f(a) - f(b)}{a-b} = f'(c).$$ Hence $$f(b + \lambda(a-b)) \leq f(b) + \lambda (a - b) f'(c))$$ $$\frac{f(b + \lambda(a-b)) - f(b)}{\lambda(a-b)}...

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