Integration, complex roots and radians

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The discussion revolves around integration, complex roots, and the conversion of radians into a different format. The original poster seeks clarification on the integration of a function involving trigonometric terms, the properties of roots of a polynomial equation, and expressing arguments in radians.

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  • Participants explore the integration of a constant and its relationship to theta, question the application of Viète's formulas for roots, and discuss methods for finding complex roots using exponential forms. There is also a focus on expressing arguments in radians and understanding the geometric representation of roots in the complex plane.

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Some participants provide insights into the integration question and suggest using exponential forms for the complex roots. Others question assumptions and seek further clarification on the methods discussed, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topics without a clear consensus.

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Participants mention specific constraints regarding the expressions of constants and the need for clarity on the use of formulas in the context of polynomial roots. There is also a reference to graphical representations in the complex plane to aid understanding.

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The first one, integration, I just want to check my answer.

[tex]\int \frac{1}{64} (\cos6\theta + 6\cos4\theta + 15\cos2\theta + 20) = \frac{1}{64} (\frac{\sin6\theta}{6} + \frac{6\sin4\theta}{4} + \frac{15\sin2\theta}{2} + 20\theta + c[/tex]

I just wasn't sure if the integral of a constant wrt theta was constant*theta.

The complex roots question:
[tex]z^5 - i = (z-w1)(z-w2)(z-w3)(z-w4)(z-w5) = 0[/tex]
Show that w1 + w2 + w3 + w4 + w5 = 0

From what our lecturer told us, [tex]-\prod_{1}[/tex] = 0 so the sum of the roots = 0. I don't really understand this though :confused:

The radians problem... is basically because I don't know how to express radian in decimals into pi radians. [As part of an answer for coshz = 2i] I want to express the argument of [tex]2 \pm \sqrt{5}[/tex] which would be [tex]\tan^{-1} \sqrt{5}/2[/tex].
In case you want to know, I found [tex]z = log(2 \pm i\sqrt{5}) = ln|2 \pm i\sqrt{5}| + i arg(2 \pm i\sqrt{5})[/tex]
I just need help finishing up the question :)
 
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Do you mean...?

[tex]\int 0 \ d\theta = \mbox{const}_{1} \cdot \theta + \mbox{const}_{2}[/tex]

If so, then it's simply wrong, unless [itex]\mbox{const}_{1}=0[/itex] which doesn't make any sense to write in the first place...

For the second problem, couldn't u use a formula due to Viète...?

Daniel.
 
For the roots one, try writing i as [tex]i = e^{\frac{i\pi}{2}+2\pi ni}[/tex] and taking the fifth root of that. Then you can sum a geometric series to give you the answer.
 
dextercioby said:
Do you mean...?

[tex]\int 0 \ d\theta = \mbox{const}_{1} \cdot \theta + \mbox{const}_{2}[/tex]

If so, then it's simply wrong, unless [itex]\mbox{const}_{1}=0[/itex] which doesn't make any sense to write in the first place...

oops sorry, I missed out a 20 in the integral so I'm asking if

[tex]\int 20 d\theta = 20\theta[/tex]

dextercioby said:
For the second problem, couldn't u use a formula due to Viète...?
I have never heard of this formula?

And also, AlphaNumeric, could you explain why you suggested [tex]i = e^{\frac{i\pi}{2}+2\pi ni}[/tex]??
 
[tex]z^{5} = i[/tex]

You're looking for the 5 solutions of this equation, you're [tex]\omega_{1}[/tex] to [tex]\omega_{5}[/tex]

They are clearly of modulus 1, and complex, so you'll have [tex]\omega_{n} = e^{it}[/tex] for some t you need to find. They are easy to find if you write i in for form I suggest.

[tex]z^{5} = e^{\frac{i\pi}{2}+2\pi n i}[/tex]
Take 5th roots to get
[tex]z = e^{\frac{i\pi}{10}+\frac{2\pi n i}{5}[/tex]

Usually express arguments in the range 0 to 2pi, so find the values of n which give you an argument in that range. n=0,1,2,3,4 will give you that, giving you roots

[tex]w_{1} = e^{\frac{i\pi}{10}}[/tex]
[tex]w_{2} = e^{\frac{i\pi}{10}+\frac{2\pi i}{5}} = e^{\frac{5i\pi}{10}} = e^{\frac{i\pi}{2}} = i[/tex]
etc

There's your 5 roots. Now you want to show they sum to zero. Well there's 5 of them and they are in geometric series, and you know how to sum those. The general formula is

[tex]S_{n} = a\frac{r^{n}-1}{r-1}[/tex]

In this case [tex]r = e^{\frac{2\pi i}{5}}[/tex], so [tex]r^{5} = 1[/tex], and so [tex]S_{n} = 0[/tex].
 
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ok, thanks for your help alphanumeric, it's a little easier to see why it is true that way.
 
For a more graphical representation for why it's true, think about an Argand diagram. If you've the equation [tex]z^{n} = k[/tex] for any complex k, then the roots will be centred about the origin in a circle spread at an angle [tex]\frac{2\pi}{n}[/tex] radians apart from one another. You can see this from writing [tex]k = re^{i\theta}[/tex] (as I did for i) and repeating that method.

The average value of the n roots will be their sum divided by n. Geometrically, this is the centre of the circle, the origin. Therefore they sum to zero.

As an example, consider [tex]z^{n} = 16[/tex]. Solutions are 2, -2, 2i, -2i. Plot them in the complex plane and you'll see they lie on a circle radius 2, with the circle centred on the origin.

I hope that helps you're understanding a bit :smile:
 

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