Integration method (Navier) calculating deflection

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The discussion revolves around calculating the deflection of a beam under a constant load using the integration method or Navier's method, with a focus on the correct application of sign conventions in moment calculations. Participants explore the implications of their chosen conventions and the mathematical expressions involved in the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the calculation of deflection at the end of a beam under a constant load, seeking assistance with their approach.
  • Another participant questions the sign convention used for moments, suggesting that anticlockwise should be positive, which contrasts with the original poster's representation.
  • There is confusion regarding the inclusion of certain terms in the moment expression, with one participant arguing that only moments from one side of the point should be considered.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the moment expressions and the necessity of certain terms to achieve equilibrium, including the introduction of a δ function to represent a load cancellation.
  • Participants identify and correct sign errors in the moment expressions, with one acknowledging a mistake in their conventions and providing a revised calculation method.
  • Ultimately, one participant concludes that the problem is resolved, attributing the issue to a misunderstanding of the sign convention.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the identification of sign errors and the need for clarity in conventions, multiple viewpoints on the correct application of these conventions remain, indicating that the discussion has elements of both agreement and contention.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of their sign conventions on the moment calculations, and there are unresolved aspects related to the specific terms included in the moment expressions.

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Homework Statement


A beam is given with a constant load. Calculate the deflection at the end of the beam. Use the integration method or method of navier with delta functions.

Homework Equations


See equations in my attached file.

The Attempt at a Solution


The red load you see on the drawing is to cancel out the upper force. Can anyone help me or say what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
 

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Not sure what your sign convention is for moments. Standard for me is anticlockwise positive. That would make M1 positive and A1x negative. You have the two terms both positive.
I don't understand the presence of the fourth term, q(a-x) etc. You should only include moments coming from one side of the point x.
 
haruspex said:
Not sure what your sign convention is for moments. Standard for me is anticlockwise positive. That would make M1 positive and A1x negative. You have the two terms both positive.
I don't understand the presence of the fourth term, q(a-x) etc. You should only include moments coming from one side of the point x.

Thanks for your reply. The convention is added beside the drawing. Positive is anticlockwise for me.
M1 is negative but if you cut the beam at let say an distance x from the wall you'll have a moment equal to M1 but in the opposite direction to cancel M1 out and to reach an equilibrium?

q(x-a) is added to cancel out the q*x*x/2 because this last load will continue till the end of the beam but this is not the case. Therefore I had to add the same force in the opposite direction at (x-a) to cancel it out. (this represents the red part on the drawing.)

I hope my explanation is clear. Thanks in advance to help me with my problem.

Best regards
 
Engineer_s said:
Thanks for your reply. The convention is added beside the drawing. Positive is anticlockwise for me.
M1 is negative but if you cut the beam at let say an distance x from the wall you'll have a moment equal to M1 but in the opposite direction to cancel M1 out and to reach an equilibrium?

q(x-a) is added to cancel out the q*x*x/2 because this last load will continue till the end of the beam but this is not the case. Therefore I had to add the same force in the opposite direction at (x-a) to cancel it out. (this represents the red part on the drawing.)

I hope my explanation is clear. Thanks in advance to help me with my problem.

Best regards
ok, I understand about the (x-a) terms. I should have noticed the δ(x-a).

But you do have a sign error.
I am still confused by your sign convention because you drew the arrow circling clockwise, implying clockwise is positive. You also wrote all of the moments in the M(x) expression as clockwise positive, except the first one. So I am going to assume you are actually taking clockwise positive.
With that comvention, the moment expression is M1+A1x etc., where M1 = -qa2/2 and A1 is qa.
Whatever your convention the those first two terms should have opposite sign.
 
Yes, you are right. I made a mistake with my conventions. Look at my new PDF, that is the method I used. Normally the moment expression is now correct.
Do you agree with my method/calculation now or not? Thanks for your help.

Comment: I used a yellow remarker but it is hardly visible.
 
The file.
 

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haruspex said:
ok, I understand about the (x-a) terms. I should have noticed the δ(x-a).

But you do have a sign error.
I am still confused by your sign convention because you drew the arrow circling clockwise, implying clockwise is positive. You also wrote all of the moments in the M(x) expression as clockwise positive, except the first one. So I am going to assume you are actually taking clockwise positive.
With that comvention, the moment expression is M1+A1x etc., where M1 = -qa2/2 and A1 is qa.
Whatever your convention the those first two terms should have opposite sign.

See the replies above. Sorry I forgot to quote you the first time.
 
Topic can be closed. Problem solved. Problem was my moment was positieve and it had to be negative. Thanks for your help.
 

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