Integration of the dot product of two vectors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the integration of the dot product of two vectors, specifically addressing confusion regarding the equations presented in an attached image. Participants explore the implications of the dot product in different contexts, including its physical meaning and mathematical properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equations involving the dot product, particularly regarding the meaning of the dot product when one component is a scalar.
  • Another participant asserts that a dot product cannot be formed between a scalar and a vector, suggesting that the expression involving the dot product should include two vectors.
  • A question is posed about the physical interpretation of the dot product and whether it yields a scalar or a vector, indicating a need for clarification on its physical significance.
  • It is noted that the dot product of two vectors results in a scalar, which is further explained in terms of its physical interpretation related to work.
  • A participant references a classic example of work to illustrate the concept of the dot product, relating it to force and displacement.
  • One participant confirms that they found the information from Wikipedia helpful in understanding the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of the dot product as yielding a scalar, but there remains some confusion about its application in the specific equations discussed. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the mathematical formulation of the dot product and its physical interpretation, but does not resolve the specific issues related to the equations in the attached image.

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Hi,

I am having problems understanding the difference between the equations in the files attached profile2.png. where W_i is just representing the ith component of the variable W, and n and v under bars are two vectors, and gamma is a boundary and gamma_e shows is a boundary.

what confuses me the most is the presence of the dot.

Any help would be appreciated very much.

Thanks,
 

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If [itex]W_i[/itex] is the ith component of the vector W, then the first one simply makes no sense. You cannot have a dot product of a number and a vector.
[tex]\int_{\Gamma_e} \vec{W}\cdot \vec{n} d\Gamma[/tex]
would make sense.

What the second one means depends upon what the vector v is.
 
Thanks. Ok ! Can you please tell me what a dot product of two vectors gives you? A scalor or a vector? and what that means physically?

Also would the second equation make sense if it was W_i was a vector?
 
The basic idea of something like [tex]\vec{u}\cdot \vec{v}[/tex] is that it gives you the amount of u in the direction of v, times the magnitude of v. So a classic example is work [tex]W=\vec{F}\cdot\vec{x}[/tex] which gives you the amount of force in the direction of displacement x, times the amount of displacement (magnitude of x).

Do you want to know how to calculate it? Have you looked at the wikipedia page yet? Does that make sense or no?
 
The dot product of two vectors, by definition, is a scalar.
 
Thanks for you answers. Wikipedia made sense also. :)
 

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