Integration Question: Deriving \int\frac{V_{x}}{V}=ln(V) | Homework Help

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The discussion revolves around deriving the integral expression \(\int\frac{V_{x}}{V}=ln(V)\) in the context of solving a partial differential equation. Participants explore various approaches to the problem, including the application of the chain rule and the use of trial solutions for linear ordinary differential equations.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about deriving the integral \(\int\frac{V_{x}}{V}=ln(V)\) and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivative \(\frac{d}{dx} \ln(V(x))\) can be shown using the chain rule and the derivative of the natural logarithm.
  • A participant provides additional context by discussing their attempt to solve the partial differential equation \(3U_{y}+U_{xy}=0\) and the substitution \(V=U_y\), leading to the equation \(-3=\frac{V_{x}}{V}\).
  • Another participant proposes that the integral can be used to solve the equation and mentions an alternative method involving trial solutions for linear ordinary differential equations.
  • A later reply reformulates the problem using partial derivatives and introduces an arbitrary function \(F(x)\), leading to a general solution involving an integral and another arbitrary function \(G(y)\).

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the integral or solve the differential equation, as multiple methods and interpretations are presented without resolution.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of the functions involved and the conditions under which the proposed methods apply. Some steps in the derivation and the implications of the solutions remain unresolved.

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So in doing a homework problem I have convinced my self that \int\frac{V_{x}}{V}=ln(V) which I vaguely remember learning in class, but I'm having trouble deriving it. Can someone help me out?
 
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You mean, you want to show that
\frac{d}{dx} \ln(V(x)) = \frac{dV/dx}{x} ?

Well, this follows from the chain rule and the fact that \frac{d}{du} \ln(u) = \frac{1}{u}.
The latter can be derived, for example by differentiating x = e^{\ln(x)} w.r.t. x using the chain rule, and solving for d ln(x)/dx.
 
To give a bit more context.

I was trying to solve the partial differential equation: 3U_{y}+U_{xy}=0 with the hint, let V=U_y

substituting we have 3V+V_{x}=0
then -3=\frac{V_{x}}{V}

I didn't really know how to continue from here so I just played around and figured out that V=e^{3x} and U(x,y)=ye^{-3x}

I'm trying to figure out what to do when I come to -3=\frac{V_{x}}{V}.
 
Ah, then indeed you can use the integral you gave.

An alternative is to note that 3V + Vx = 0 is a linear ordinary differential equation. In that case, you can usually stick in V(x) = e^{\lambda x} as a "trial" solution. The differential equation then turns into a polynomial equation for \lambda with solutions \lambda_1, \cdots, \lambda_n, where n is the order of the ODE (in this case, n = 1). The general solution to the ODE is then
V(x) = A_1 e^{\lambda_1 x} + \cdots + A_n e^{\lambda_n x}[/itex]<br /> where the A<sub>i[/i] are to be determined (for example from initial or boundary values).</sub>
 
Note:

You can rewrite this as:
\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}(3U+U_{x})=0\to{3}U+U_{x}=F(x)
where F is some arbitrary function of x.

This can be re-written as:
\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}(e^{3x}U)=e^{3x}F(x)

whereby the solution is given as:
U(x,y)=e^{-3x}\int(e^{3x}F(x))dx+G(y)e^{-3x}

where G(y) is some arbitrary function in y.

Obviously, the first term can be replaced by some arbitrary function H(x).
 
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